Wii U announced at E3

[Deathwolf]

Yes the super smash bros games are the best of all  :)

[James0x57]

http://kotaku.com/5809850/cold-water-thrown-on-smash-bros-for-wii-u-and-3ds
SSB games haven't even been started ^

And the Demo Reel showed footage from games running on PS3, 360, and PC:
http://kotaku.com/5809744/nintendo-used-360-ps3--pc-game-footage-in-its-wii-u-demo-reel



DO NOT WANT

[James0x57]

Just like the Wii controller- it probably started out as an addon for their current system.

This controller is not worth the price of a "new" console that does what consoles did 5 years ago.
The pad does have a couple neat gameplay elements but who's going to pay $90 for a 2nd controller?


Wii Fail.

[dcx2]

I am almost beginning to agree. I did notice something I don't think anyone noticed. When I was at my friends watching the e3 thing on tv I noticed when they were showing this "controller" there was a wii in the background. I know a lot of you may think this sounds ridiculous, but I think this is a wii add-on. It might require an update way down the line. Could this be nintendo's plan to get us to finally update? Or is it just a new "controller" system? IMO nintendo didn't give us enough information at E3. I am disappointed so far about the new system.

No, it was not a Wii.  It will have a multi-core Power processor (click "System Details")  Yes, it would be nice to have more information.  It will surely come.

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This controller is not worth the price of a "new" console that does what consoles did 5 years ago.

Consoles five years ago had terrible failure rates.  How many folks had to buy a second 360?  For all practical purposes, they bought a retail console that did nothing more than what it did years ago.  At least Wii U won't red ring on you one year into owning it, because Nintendo actually knows how to make hardware with acceptable yields.

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The innovation in the first half of the 7th gen was clearly motion controls.  Kinect, Move, Wiimote, Vita, 3DS, iPhone games, they *all* have some form of motion control.

I think the second half of the 7th gen (I don't believe we will see new consoles for four more years) will be dominated by information asymmetry.

Imagine playing Goldeneye splitscreen.  You can see where your buddies are if they're hiding.  Everyone knows everything about everyone else - how much health, ammo, what gun, etc.

Sony wants to use 3D technology so that two people can use one screen without splitting it and without seeing each other's screen.  I think that's fascinating.  Nintendo will use this new controller.  There are game styles that are lame or simply not possible when information is symmetrical between all players.

I hear some folks saying that Vita can be used with a PS3 to do basically what Nintendo is doing with Wii U.  While that is possible, Vita's install base will be some marginal fraction of PS3s, while every single Wii U will have one of these fancy controllers.  Developers won't target Vita's integration because of a limited market; that is why the controller *must* be bundled with the system.

[James0x57]

$300 for the system + $90 for a second controller and you have some interesting possibilities for information asymmetry.

Personally, I'm not paying $400 for that... There are no other reasons to buy it.

And it won't be HD on the controller so if HD was somehow a selling point then it's mutually exclusive from the information asymmetry selling point..




I want to want this system.. but so far no argument or fake game reel can justify a total price tag over $299 (before games). =(

[James0x57]

*cough*
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/08/nintendo-stock-down-5-percent-after-wii-u-reveal/

[dcx2]

*cough*

That means buy Nintendo while it's cheap.

[James0x57]

I was very serious about buying Nintendo stock when they announced Revolution.. but I was just a kid with nobody to point me in the right direction and lost hope after a few phone calls.

Had it gone through, I would have sold half at the launch of 3DS and bailed out the rest as soon as the screened controller was officially announced.
=(


I would not buy Nintendo stock right now- it will get lower in the coming year.

It IS too early to be certain with the Wii Ugh but unless they announce some serious big hitters for the very important launch window and a nice release schedule after, I would definitely wait until their NEXT console in 6 or 7 years...




(admittedly- I am playing devil's advocate a little tiny bit because I really need to be sold on this to even consider it..)

[dcx2]

I feel like *I'm* playing Devil's Advocate here.  This thread reads like "dog pile on Nintendo!"  There are so many misconceptions, with people thinking this is just a new peripheral, or that the controller will be heavy and awkward.  To some degree, it's Nintendo's fault if people don't understand it.

For that matter, I haven't seen compelling evidence that Wii U supports more than one tablet controller.  Nor have I seen any mention of price anywhere, so any prices are pure speculation.

Nintendo could still fail to execute this correctly.  The specs will make or break this system, apart from the controller.  But to call this a categorical failure while having never touched one doesn't seem right.  If this is a failure, what would have been success?  What if this console has more graphical horsepower than a 360 or PS3, would that be a success?

[hetoan2]

James, you need to stop hatin'. :(

Personally, I think the controller is a great addition. The hardware for the controller itself will not cost as much as you think. It's not a console itself, so it doesn't have much processing going on on its side. The other parts are cheap, I see these going at about $60-$80 for replacements.

Keep in mind, you don't even NEED one of the new controllers to play. Developers know that while it is a cool thing for singleplayer to incorporate, that the multiplayer (locally) will be expensive if you need more than one controller. I don't even see families buying ANY additional remotes, so the additional ones will probably be for enhanced multiplayer only. NOT a necessity.

In addition to this, the console itself looks very nice. On the screen, it outputs in 1080p and I was impressed with the lighting effects and graphical features shown in the E3 bird demo. The on-screen features are what really matters. And if you're going to bitch about the handheld screen being not up-to-snuff with the 1080p HD output on the TV, shame on you. The handheld screen is 6.2 inches. That really isn't enough to display all the pixels in 1080p or even 720p display now is it? From what i've seen and heard, It looks amazing on the small screen aswell. The ONLY issue being some Aliasing which really isn't noticeable unless you're looking for it. All the graphics are rendered on the console side then sent to the controller, so they still look beautiful.

Just because the demos they chose to show weren't real great, they were definitely gimmicky to get across the point to people of what could be used. The controller isn't just for a remote view, it can be used for much more, which is why all the tacky demos existed. To convey that message to developers and consumers alike.

I think it's going to be great. From what i've heard, it will be running Power architecture (in order for playing old Wii games). The only thing I don't like, is the fact that they stripped it of it's GCN support :( No GCN slots at all, meaning new remote debugging software would need to be made (if homebrew ever comes out that is.) not to mention, i really liked the GCN controllers :(

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that this CAN'T flop, but I feel that if nintendo does their online right (which they said they were going to announce by the end of this week) then the console will be a huge success.

[dcx2]

(if homebrew ever comes out that is.)

Not if.  When.

[Deathwolf]

homebrew = piracy

In my opinion, it makes much more fun if you BUY the game.... Yes, I've downloaded games too but it was very boring after I played it once : /

[dcx2]

Right, because Gecko OS and Riivolution support pirated games.   ::)

Guns don't kill people.  It takes someone to pull the trigger.

Homebrew doesn't create piracy.  It takes someone to download the game.

Besides, pirates will probably be using drivechips before a suitable softmod exploit is found.

[Deathwolf]

no you understand me wrong. when homebrew comes, there will be of course a ROM loader application for it.
that's like the PS3.

[James0x57]

..didn't they show 4 tablets in one of the videos? I'm almost certain I saw that... But if it did only support 1 then that's even less appealing. =S

lol
Anyway... I'm done spreading FUD for now. But I /hope/ this does well and Nintendo gets it right... I just have serious doubts at this point. ;(