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I feel this is news worthy as i see that most people in this forum does not go to off topic. Please everyone who wants to see the new Nintendo console go here with in 30 mins http://www.gametrailers.com/netstorage/e3/e3-live.html 9 am PDT or 12 pm noon EST

nintendo conference now!

can't stream? Second best option:
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/07/nintendo-e3-keynote/?sort=newest&refresh=60

there is also http://e3.nintendo.com

Majora's Mask is getting the shaft so far.... ;_;

So far so lame.

new luigis mansion ftw

I think I'm converting to xbox loyalty. Except Valve games- I go PC.

Skyward Sword is a giant tech demo.
Luigi's Mansion is the same as the first one in new locations.
The new nintendo console is specifically meant to compete graphically with consoles that came out 5 years ago. (rumor, I guess)


Nintendo's peak has passed!

"Wii U"

*headdesk*

I quit Nintendo.

WII u fail -face palm of stupidity-

pfff thats really disappointing.... That means the Wii will be still alive and new games are comming for sure! Win for the USB Gecko.

if they try charging more then 50-100 dollars for this i give up on nintendo

ok new super smash brothers for wii U and 3ds it is now worth it

new ssb not for wii?

They said 3ds and Wii U so I guess where not getting a new super smash brothers game for wii so we have to stick with brawl in less we go buy the Wii U or 3ds

The console generations have gotten successively longer.  A console used to last about seven years from start to finish.  The last generation (XBox/PS2/GCN) lasted eleven years.  We're only half-way through this generation at best.  MS and Sony seek to extend this generation even more by using Kinect and Move.

I think Nintendo played it right.  Five years ago, HD wasn't where it is now.  MS screwed up hardcore with the 360's RROD because the new process was not well understood.  Sony pushed back the PS3 launch because of their Blu-ray problems.

Now, HD is the norm.  The process is well understood and yields are high.  This launch will go off without a hitch, and the system won't break the bank.  If Nintendo gets online right (big if), and if this new controller has enough killer apps (and it might), this will be huge.

But in my opinion Nintendo dropped large here. I mean seriously all they did was make a new controller they said it does everything the old one did its a new controller it looks like they took those drawing boards they came out with a few months ago slapped some controls on it and called it a new system. Some of the games do make this console worth it but the Wii U seems like its not going to be as large as the PS Vita and the newer games for 3ds. I am probably going to get 3ds for the great new games I seen coming out.

How much do you think those "controllers" are going to cost? And half way through with a new console with a new bill?

I probably wont be touching this one at all.

hmm so something like a USB Gecko would be possible? it supports SD  >:D

well as long as i get a new super smash brothers it might be brawl 2 but as long as i get that i will be happy -_-

I already spent enough money on current gen consoles. ...and this isn't out 'till next year? I'm waiting for the real next gen.



Though, they haven't completely came out with WHO's doing their online since they said it's not them this time... IF it's Valve, I'll buy two. But they probably would have came out with that info today if it was the case. So I doubt it.
=(

No blu ray either. ¬_¬


That demo Zelda looked pretty sweet in motion. I only saw screens before.



Hey! At least they've finally done something with console controllers that nobody else will copy! :D

TROLOLOLOL

man thats soooooo bad  :( why they can't just make a new console for TV's and not portable. So the PSvita owns the Wii u of course!

Gold Wii Remote must have!! lol

When Revolution/Wii was coming out, stock experts were saying Nintendo would continue to do mediocre but most of the gamers thought (and expressed through comments everywhere) that it was awesome and going to do great.
Gamers were right.

If you look around game sites, there are very few positive comments on Wii U... I don't see it happening! =(

I was under the impression that this is entirely new console hardware, and not just a Wii with a new controller.  The Wii itself was just an upgraded GameCube - the PowerPC processor is literally *identical* to the GameCube's.  I am interested to hear the processor specs on this one.

This will probably be cheap.  This launch price + Wii launch price will probably be less than PS3 launch price.  I think if you wait for the 8th generation you'll be waiting a long time and paying a lot of money.  Also, Kinect and Move were released at the last E3, and releasing a new system would cannibalize those sales.  Plus it would also ruin sales of the PS3 and 360 when they're at their most profitable.

I wouldn't want Valve to do their online, though.  They take the Ubisoft route of "require constant Internet connection" and I hate that.  If my Internet connection goes down, I can't even start L4D2, unless I use a pirated copy.  That is very disappointing; I should be able to play single player offline.

I beg to differ.  Think of all the people who buy every incarnation of Madden.  Now imagine those people being able to select their play without their opponent seeing which one.  That's just one killer app for those people, and I can see this being used in very creative ways.

It's not a portable.  It is a whole new console, that attaches to the TV.

That's not what I remember.  Most everyone was complaining about SD graphics and how the underpowered console was going to spell the end of Nintendo because they didn't see where the market was headed.  They thought the Wii was a joke.

lol I have to say this sorry. ITS A TRAP. they just want us to update our system and lose our softmods frown upon the new tech called wii u for it will bring up update 4.4! lol anyway i wish they where making luigis mansion 2 for wii instead of 3ds

Are they taking pre-orders yet.jk  :p

The controller looks really neat, If the controller can be used as some type of on the road handheld / internet device it would be really sweet.

Backward compatibility with Wii titles is also really nice. Quad Core CPU with a programmable Shader GPU would be ultra nice.

i just want the new super smash bros lol thats why i got the wii in the first place

Yes the super smash bros games are the best of all  :)

http://kotaku.com/5809850/cold-water-thrown-on-smash-bros-for-wii-u-and-3ds
SSB games haven't even been started ^

And the Demo Reel showed footage from games running on PS3, 360, and PC:
http://kotaku.com/5809744/nintendo-used-360-ps3--pc-game-footage-in-its-wii-u-demo-reel



DO NOT WANT

Just like the Wii controller- it probably started out as an addon for their current system.

This controller is not worth the price of a "new" console that does what consoles did 5 years ago.
The pad does have a couple neat gameplay elements but who's going to pay $90 for a 2nd controller?


Wii Fail.

No, it was not a Wii (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/06/it-is-a-whole-console-here-is-the-wii-u-deck.ars).  It will have a multi-core Power processor (http://e3src.nintendo.com/hw/) (click "System Details")  Yes, it would be nice to have more information.  It will surely come.

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Consoles five years ago had terrible failure rates.  How many folks had to buy a second 360?  For all practical purposes, they bought a retail console that did nothing more than what it did years ago.  At least Wii U won't red ring on you one year into owning it, because Nintendo actually knows how to make hardware with acceptable yields.

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The innovation in the first half of the 7th gen was clearly motion controls.  Kinect, Move, Wiimote, Vita, 3DS, iPhone games, they *all* have some form of motion control.

I think the second half of the 7th gen (I don't believe we will see new consoles for four more years) will be dominated by information asymmetry.

Imagine playing Goldeneye splitscreen.  You can see where your buddies are if they're hiding.  Everyone knows everything about everyone else - how much health, ammo, what gun, etc.

Sony wants to use 3D technology so that two people can use one screen without splitting it and without seeing each other's screen.  I think that's fascinating.  Nintendo will use this new controller.  There are game styles that are lame or simply not possible when information is symmetrical between all players.

I hear some folks saying that Vita can be used with a PS3 to do basically what Nintendo is doing with Wii U.  While that is possible, Vita's install base will be some marginal fraction of PS3s, while every single Wii U will have one of these fancy controllers.  Developers won't target Vita's integration because of a limited market; that is why the controller *must* be bundled with the system.

$300 for the system + $90 for a second controller and you have some interesting possibilities for information asymmetry.

Personally, I'm not paying $400 for that... There are no other reasons to buy it.

And it won't be HD on the controller so if HD was somehow a selling point then it's mutually exclusive from the information asymmetry selling point..




I want to want this system.. but so far no argument or fake game reel can justify a total price tag over $299 (before games). =(

*cough*
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/08/nintendo-stock-down-5-percent-after-wii-u-reveal/

*cough*

That means buy Nintendo while it's cheap.

I was very serious about buying Nintendo stock when they announced Revolution.. but I was just a kid with nobody to point me in the right direction and lost hope after a few phone calls.

Had it gone through, I would have sold half at the launch of 3DS and bailed out the rest as soon as the screened controller was officially announced.
=(


I would not buy Nintendo stock right now- it will get lower in the coming year.

It IS too early to be certain with the Wii Ugh but unless they announce some serious big hitters for the very important launch window and a nice release schedule after, I would definitely wait until their NEXT console in 6 or 7 years...




(admittedly- I am playing devil's advocate a little tiny bit because I really need to be sold on this to even consider it..)

I feel like *I'm* playing Devil's Advocate here.  This thread reads like "dog pile on Nintendo!"  There are so many misconceptions, with people thinking this is just a new peripheral, or that the controller will be heavy and awkward.  To some degree, it's Nintendo's fault if people don't understand it.

For that matter, I haven't seen compelling evidence that Wii U supports more than one tablet controller.  Nor have I seen any mention of price anywhere, so any prices are pure speculation.

Nintendo could still fail to execute this correctly.  The specs will make or break this system, apart from the controller.  But to call this a categorical failure while having never touched one doesn't seem right.  If this is a failure, what would have been success?  What if this console has more graphical horsepower than a 360 or PS3, would that be a success?

James, you need to stop hatin'. :(

Personally, I think the controller is a great addition. The hardware for the controller itself will not cost as much as you think. It's not a console itself, so it doesn't have much processing going on on its side. The other parts are cheap, I see these going at about $60-$80 for replacements.

Keep in mind, you don't even NEED one of the new controllers to play. Developers know that while it is a cool thing for singleplayer to incorporate, that the multiplayer (locally) will be expensive if you need more than one controller. I don't even see families buying ANY additional remotes, so the additional ones will probably be for enhanced multiplayer only. NOT a necessity.

In addition to this, the console itself looks very nice. On the screen, it outputs in 1080p and I was impressed with the lighting effects and graphical features shown in the E3 bird demo. The on-screen features are what really matters. And if you're going to bitch about the handheld screen being not up-to-snuff with the 1080p HD output on the TV, shame on you. The handheld screen is 6.2 inches. That really isn't enough to display all the pixels in 1080p or even 720p display now is it? From what i've seen and heard, It looks amazing on the small screen aswell. The ONLY issue being some Aliasing which really isn't noticeable unless you're looking for it. All the graphics are rendered on the console side then sent to the controller, so they still look beautiful.

Just because the demos they chose to show weren't real great, they were definitely gimmicky to get across the point to people of what could be used. The controller isn't just for a remote view, it can be used for much more, which is why all the tacky demos existed. To convey that message to developers and consumers alike.

I think it's going to be great. From what i've heard, it will be running Power architecture (in order for playing old Wii games). The only thing I don't like, is the fact that they stripped it of it's GCN support :( No GCN slots at all, meaning new remote debugging software would need to be made (if homebrew ever comes out that is.) not to mention, i really liked the GCN controllers :(

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that this CAN'T flop, but I feel that if nintendo does their online right (which they said they were going to announce by the end of this week) then the console will be a huge success.

Not if.  When.

homebrew = piracy

In my opinion, it makes much more fun if you BUY the game.... Yes, I've downloaded games too but it was very boring after I played it once : /

Right, because Gecko OS and Riivolution support pirated games.   ::)

Guns don't kill people.  It takes someone to pull the trigger.

Homebrew doesn't create piracy.  It takes someone to download the game.

Besides, pirates will probably be using drivechips before a suitable softmod exploit is found.

no you understand me wrong. when homebrew comes, there will be of course a ROM loader application for it.
that's like the PS3.

..didn't they show 4 tablets in one of the videos? I'm almost certain I saw that... But if it did only support 1 then that's even less appealing. =S

lol
Anyway... I'm done spreading FUD for now. But I /hope/ this does well and Nintendo gets it right... I just have serious doubts at this point. ;(

Yes, but how am I gonna be able to remote debug without Gecko output? All this has is USB D: I feel that part of the reason they're scrapping gamecube is to fix their online issues @_@ (which i may or may not have been responsible for some of :$, through popularity, not actually using or releasing (at least on purpose))

I'd also like to point out that the controller itself is very light and sturdy (or so i've heard). It's much lighter than an iPad, because it doesn't have on-board memory or processors.

And I've heard it's comfortable from many sources online as well, although this is a personal preference, so I can't say for you. Either way, it's got a hook thingy on the back that looks like it makes it comfortable.

And about your comment on stocks...

Stock brokers really can't comment on the quality of unreleased games. They are interested in selling stocks for a completely different reason, and the fact that you think that these are completely linked is false. Not to mention that when the Wii was originally announced (as the revolution) stocks continued to drop for nintendo until mid-June of 2005. The fact that there are articles commenting on the link between stocks and recent gaming announcements is purely for the gain of the publisher and in reality, there's not much of a link.

Uh... no they don't. You're physically changing the IOS to allow pirated games. This has nothing to do with the software functionality of GeckoOS. It's not like gecko OS has it's own set of IOSs -.-

And homebrew != piracy. Sure, people are going to try to find a way to pirate games, but there is a large majority of people who want homebrew simply to use codes (a lot of people ask me how to do this, so i know it's true). Not to mention that I, myself, would be more than glad to buy games on the Wii-U if we could hack them using homebrew. It's not always about getting free games or cheating online. I enjoy hacking simply for the process behind it, although I do acknowledge that there are people who cheat/pirate just to feel "above the law" so to speak. And yes, those people are ruining nintendo's current online system.

ok

Just to elaborate on my comment about stocks... Keep in mind that a new console being announced (without a release date or timeframe) means that current console sales will drop. Marketers are probably trying to make profit off of this by buying in before the next press release. Keep in mind, the stock market is definitely something that can be worked.

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/09/wii-u-currently-only-supports-one-wiipad/

Just can't get behind this one.

..and you kind of strawmanned a few of my points there, Hetoan2. ...meh *shrugs*

Doesn't effect me much sense I'll mainly be playing single player. yea I'm lame.lol probably something to do with having to output multi screens. but this is the first i've heard of this  :(

doesn't bother me either. I said that you would really only need one anyways.

And i'm definitely not straw-manning. My points were valid.

"And if you're going to bitch about the handheld screen being not up-to-snuff with the 1080p HD output on the TV, shame on you. The handheld screen is 6.2 inches. That really isn't enough to display all the pixels in 1080p or even 720p display now is it?"
Strawman - I only said the selling points were mutually exclusive.. They are.


"Stock brokers really can't comment on the quality of unreleased games. They are interested in selling stocks for a completely different reason, and the fact that you think that these are completely linked is false."
Strawman - I never said they were completely linked... I didn't say anything even close to that...





You seem to be taking it personally that I think this system is Wii Unfortunate... Let's not continue this conversation. =(

Being able to use the DS / DSi / 3DS as a controller would of been a better idea, the Wii had plans for DS connectivity and it would of rocked IMHO.

So far Wii U sounds good, if the controller allows web surf, chat and some other goodies like that I'd probably get one.

eh fair enough, implications were made, but you're being quite pessimistic :(

Web surf.... No all nintendo systems with web search the browser sucks. I just caught this topic so let me say what I think. It will sell well and have a bunch of cool features, but Nintendo is going to make crappy games like ballon pop or wacka - mole. People will complain about some big glitch or loads of download traffic(like on the 3ds at the moment, I can't purchase anything because it can't connect to the accsess point) sales will go downhill and prices will drop. One or two amazing games will come out but be way over priced. Like they showed a Zelda game with item selection on the tablet and a new SSB will come out.

I hope I'm wrong about this because it seams like such a good idea to waste on crap.

Reading this thread for the first time it seems like most people had got the wrong idea about the console but perhaps the info was limited when the thread was started.

Seems pretty cool to me, nice ideas with the the new screen pads.

Nintendo said only one screen pad connected to the system at a time.

Which is BS. it's unfair in multiplayer games. Like the chase mii example. Plus arguments about who holds the pad.

boo hoo. the device obviously isn't made for serious multiplayer games where everything is supposed to be fair.

the chase mii thing is like pacman vs.

It's 4 v 1, the 4 other people are supposed to be challenged. It's fair in that sense. Not to mention, that's a tech demo. Purely for gimmick showoff.


And they said that theres only 1 screen pad as of right now, they said they were going to look into support for more than one since it shows interest. My bet is that there won't be screen support for more than one "special controller" if this is the case (since it seems heavy on the system and bluetooth to me)

Are you boo hooing at me? If so please don't i was making a statement. I play rpgs so I don't really need multiplayer. But when I do... just sayin.

nah just a general statement at the people who think not having 2 controllers is a problem.... it's really not.

When i 1st saw it, i immediately thought about Zelda Four Swords and a Super Mario Bros, where 4 players play together and everybody has his own screen.

Or turn based games where 2-4 people select their turns without the other players seeing them. Well such games are just online nowadays, but i thought i mention it anyways. And it's still possible, just by handing over the controller, and quadrupling the time for each turn.

If they are too fixed on having only 1 controller, then i bet the WiiU couldn't handle more. Let's assume the resolution for each display is around SDTV(640x480), then the WiiU would need to be able to stream some HD resolution wirelessly. Is there anything that streams 1280x960 without compression(the pad has no CPU?) and without delay? If not, what's the max?

Isn't that what handhelds are for? Don't get me wrong, but If nintendo makes it like that (as great as it would be) wouldn't it hurt the sales of their DS line?

At that point, with every person having their own screen, you're just buying a console that can handle 4 screens. You wouldn't even use the TV @_@

Well that's a good point. HD streaming if I am informed corectly takes some amount power. If that's the case then if the battery power is like the 3ds then the controler will be charging non stop, or replacement batterys will be needed often. And batterys are pricy. As for the max. I have no idea.

The controller uses a charger similar to the NDS. The batteries are not easily replaceable.

That's another possible problem, but i can't estimate it. My problem for 4 pads looks like this:
640x480 x 4 x 2 (16 Bit colors...) x 25 (25 fps) = >58 MB/s that would need to be transferred wirelessly. And it should be able to use wireless LAN at the same time. Hmm, 640x480 seems kinda big for the pad, maybe it's lower. But it shouldn't be less than 16 Bit colors and 25 fps, or it would just look bad.

Is there any technology that transfers over 50 MB/s uncompressed without delay? And that does not interfere with wireless LAN.

25 fps is bad. standered is 60 fps.

Movies run an 24fps in the US, which is less than 25fps (this is the european standard however). You don't bitch about the fps when you're in a movie theater do you? This is essentially the same thing, the picture is being relayed between the console and the controller, so everything is processed on the console side (which is apparently pretty powerful) so I'm sure it will look fine.

Unless you have really good eyes, you can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps. 60 fps is 60 images per second. meaning you'd have to be looking for it in order to tell the difference. Sure, 60fps looks nice in the end, and it's preferable to 25fps, but in reality, it doesn't make a difference.

If you don't believe me, I'm sure there are tons of youtube videos or information on google that will tell you the same.

Not for programming, or tvs. The standerded in 60. Here's a quote from a book I've been reading on c#.
Now that might be so about movies, but this is a console. Then again this is for a computer.

._. like there's an actual difference between the two. The reason that 60fps is a standard is because you can't physically see the difference if it's more than that, so why waste resources... The rest is just negligible. 60fps is the standard for computers now because you really have no reason to get anything less than the best since the technology supports it. In movies, 24fps is probably used because it was always done this way. You still don't notice the difference. You can't really notice the time in between frames that would be referred to as flickering unless you're really looking for it. Especially when it comes down to just video, that is what this is. I don't see why you'd even need 60fps on such a tiny display. Maybe they have it at 60 now, but there's no way they can keep it that high if they wish for 4 controller support. Bluetooth cannot handle it.

I don't agree with that. Anyone will tell you there's a huge different between (for example) playing Mario Kart Wii in 60fps and 30fps: the game runs much more fluently and it's so much more comfortable. And after that you won't want to play again at a lower framerate ever.

Ok we are both right(I guess) but I have to agree now 60fps is not necesary on a small screen. Probally around 30.

For some reason, I think 2 WiiPads is enough as long as Wii U has support for Wii Remotes.

screen size and fps dont matter, would be the same regardless of the screen.

60fps might not be a problem if it has dedicated cores/threads. It is rumored to be using a Power7 CPU in the Wii U that is some beast.

I've been thinking about this...

Is there a reason it always has to stream video to the pad controller?  It's not like your inventory/picking plays/looking at a map requires real-time streaming.  If they only needed to update the screen once or twice per second, it would be easy to support multiple controllers.

Very true... but if it could only support minor things like that for multiple- it wouldn't be worth the price of the extra controller(s). (IMO)

Picking plays can happen on the single pad- one after the other. (which I agree would be sweet to keep secret)

If it's a multiplayer game with a map- then it's probably a radar.. So if you can already see other player's locations (and you can look at their screen on the TV either way)- separation is mostly useless.

I wander if Nuke will be coming up with a device to make codes on this one lol but it might be very hard next to impossible. I guess once the Wii-U comes out the Wii age will end mostly everyone will move on and leave us behind the true hackers and our codes will waste away slowly. But thats a small guess lol not everyone will move on.

^^^ yep no GC mem slots :( its going to need something new in order to hack, once it gets exploited that is.

I'm late to the party here, but figured I'd clear up a misconception... 24fps movies work because the movie cameras introduce a significant motion blur.  Without that motion blur, you would definitely notice the low framerate.  In general, footage rendered in real-time (e.g. games) does not have motion blur, which is why 60fps looks much smoother than 30fps when playing games.

ya learn something new every day. still looks damn fine when you go to the movies.

I thought it was backwards compatible for both systems?

^^^ from what i've read its confirmed wiiu won't play GC games

Source (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/26632)

Well I guess we will have to wait.

If you can connect a usb HDD, then there might be gamecube VC titles. If not this gen, then next gen for sure.

Well Next gen is a ways away. Correct me if I'm wrong but the wii came out in 05, and the wii u may be coming out late 2012. So next gen may very well be in 2019.

But do you want to hack it as soon as you get it or enjoy it for a while then make it to your likeing.