Ralf from GSCentral stole my code without giving me credit

[dcx2]

At least they give credit for the Wii codes.

The scope code at least looks different.  Personally, I give credit when I use other people's codes as a starting point - like I did with this Party Mod code - but at least he did some original work there.

I think I saw a Walk Through Walls Code there.  Didn't try to decrypt it and compare to yours yet.  But there was nothing original about the Shop Roller.  You can plug the branches into an assembler and it calculates them for you.  It's the same process I used to install the latest debugger patches without using C2 codes.

I'll post my ToS codes to the DB when I get a chance.  One of them was potentially buggy so I was waiting a bit to see which one.

EDIT:

lol, I should port his codes and not give him credit.

[Arudo]

What goes around, comes around? Might as well see if you can elicit a reaction that way.

[dcx2]

Okay, now that venting is over, I'd like to re-state something I said earlier...

I like that my code is being made more accessible.  I think that's a  good thing and I'm glad Ralf did it.  In fact, analyzing it has shed light on how I might port some of my codes to AR for the ToS GameCube folks, so this event is probably positive overall.

However, I still think poorly of him for so obviously stealing my code without a whiff of credit.  I still suspect him of having stolen some other codes, though I expect in many instances they will be more like the scope rehack.

[dcx2]

And the saga continues...

Since the GSCentral web site's registration is broken, I can't register.  However, GMO already had an account, and he kindly posted the side-by-side ASM comparison to the ToS thread over there.

Ralf still won't confess to stealing my code, even when confronted with indisputable evidence.  He even tried to post an "alternate" shop roller to "prove" that he "re-hacked" it - though I wonder why he didn't post his actual re-hack the first time.  I imagine that he didn't expect a US Wii hacker to decrypt PAL AR codes on some other forum, and thus felt like he was safe plagiarizing my work.

What's worse, Rune doesn't seem to care that one of his moderators is a code thief.  Instead, he attacks GMO for pointing it out.  And this is just after the admin made some comment about "no hostile, barbaric language" to some other guy who pointed out that the code was stolen.  Talk about double standards.

It's also funny to read their front page.  "GS Central was created in 1998 to ensure code creators everywhere would have a haven for proper code credit."  "We are GSCentral, the only reliable source for the latest codes and we guarantee that you will receive 100% code credit for ALL of your code creations!"

[goemon_guy]

That guy, who he called "barbaric" was me!
I've never really liked GSCentral, to be honest, and now I have even more reason to. :)

[Deathwolf]

lol he made 3 different versions..... just changed the button combination and converted them.

[dcx2]

His alternate version is actually quite different.  Here's the decrypted and converted "alternate shop roller".

[spoiler]281469EC 18000000
282D4878 00000018
02002F00 0000BABE
E2000001 80008000
2A2D4878 00000018
28002F00 0000BABE
No WiiRD CodeType for GCN AR CodeType- Increment.
02002F00 00000000
E2000001 80008000
E0000000 80008000
282D4878 00000014
02002F04 0000BABE
E2000001 80008000
2A2D4878 00000014
28002F04 0000BABE
No WiiRD CodeType for GCN AR CodeType- Increment.
02002F04 00000000
E2000001 80008000
E0000000 80008000
2C23A49A FF00007F
0023A49B 00000033
E2000001 80008000
2C23A49A FF000033
0023A49B 00000000
E2000001 80008000[/spoiler]

But the original is definitely 100% ripped off of me.

[goemon_guy]

(this code doesn't work well due to sync probs)

Think, it would've all been fine if he had've just given you credit in the first place, though!

[Bully@Wiiplaza]

Leakers are everywhere.
I sometimes tell people to not share my codes.
What happened some days later?

The code can be found with various different credits on the internet like this:

[Bully@Wiiplaza/*some idiot that thinks he gets half credit for inputting a hexadecimal value into the XXX variables of the code*]

I could easily rewrite any code and silently don´t mention the original hacker and almost nobody will notice.
Such behaviour is just poor and is mostly a sign of inferiority or noobishness.

If pointer was used, I rewrite the code with breakpoint read or write. Maybe using another possible pointer address?
If BP Read was used, I rewrite it with BP Write (if possible) or maybe Pointer. If the address stays the same, why not using a direct RAM Write for the stolen code. If BP Write was used, I rewrite with BP Read. If a button activated code was made, I find another button activator and replace instructions with others that do the same.

E.g.

lis r12, 0x8012
lhz r12, 0x4E56 (r12)
cmpwi r12, 0xYYYY
bne- _END
li r11, 0
stw r11, 0 (r3)
_END:
lwz r0, 0 (r3)

instead of

lis r11, 0x8012
ori r11, r11, 0x3056
lhz r11, 0 (r11)
andi. r11, r11, 0xYYYY
beq- _END
li r0, 0
stw r0, 0 (r3)
_END:
lwz r0, 0 (r3)

Possibilities for stealing codes are pretty much endless.

[dcx2]

This is ridiculous. Guys, we shouldn't be arguing over a little piece of text that has our name over it. Its nice to give the orignal hacker a mention, but if it was a rehack then it was. Now if someone took the 300+ codes I made straight from the geckocodes database and posted the exact same codes then I would be mad.

I'm sorry, but I disagree.  If Ralf did something like this for an assignment at a university, he would be expelled for plagiarism.

He did not "rehack" my code.  He may have tried to rehack it, but the code he posted a month ago is indisputably my ASM.

That he feels no shame in stealing my code, even after being caught red-handed, just makes it worse.

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Bully, he didn't even try to take "half-credit".  I would have accepted a note at the bottom, "based off dcx2's Shop Roller for NTSC".  The way it's posted, Ralf is trying to pass it off as 100% his code.

[James0x57]

Yeah, you're on your own with that thought, Sharkbyte. It's dcx2's work and he should be credited for what he did. Hands down.

[Thomas83Lin]

After reading the responses between GMO and the mods on GSCentral, I've lost respect for the Mods over there. its getting ugly

[Deathwolf]

"See? He knows his stuff. Now fuck off you useless cunts. "

This guy is retarded.

[dcx2]

If you feel that way, Sharkbyte, that's your call.  Personally, I don't see what there is to argue.  Ralf stole my code and didn't give me credit.  That's just a proven fact.  The evidence is in the first post; anyone can independently verify that I wrote my code first, and that Ralf's code uses my ASM.  Ralf may know what he's doing, but competence does not justify theft.

It's pretty sad that despite being caught red-handed, he still won't admit he was wrong.  I don't see how compromise is possible with someone like that.  Anyway, why should *I* compromise when *he* was the thief?  Is it my fault that my code was ported without giving me credit?

I might not be able to stop people from stealing my codes, but I certainly don't have to give thieves any respect, and I don't see why you think I or anyone else should.  Of course it will get ugly; most people do not enjoy being called out when they do something wrong.

Getting ugly is not GMO's fault, though.  All he did was post the evidence.  Rune was the one who started the ad-hominem attacks.

[Thomas83Lin]

Getting ugly is not GMO's fault, though.  All he did was post the evidence.  Rune was the one who started the ad-hominem attacks.

Not at all, Rune is making it a personal attack on Gmo.