Sony being bad losers

[dcx2]

omg, according to that psx-scene link that thomas provided, Bushing and Segher were also sued by Sony!

[James0x57]

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I'm participating for the rest of my life.

[dcx2]

I haven't bought Sony since the rootkit.

[James0x57]

I haven't bought since PS2 - but I got that from a pawn shop..
Oh, wait, I did get a Sony Erickson phone for a 1 week about 5 years ago. Took it back though because AT&T is terrible.

[Arudo]

...that explains why my Sony Ericsson is such a piece of crap...

[James0x57]

Unfortunately, I actually loved the phone itself because of the full interface skinning ability.. Service was the deal breaker.

[Arudo]

The phone crapped out on me twice in the same week just before its warranty was going to expire.

I had to go back to fido twice and they had to ship it back to Sony twice so they could repair it and 'update' its software.

When I got it back the second time I had to remember how to hack the phone again so I could do custom ringtones and backgrounds again.

[doomkaiber001]

I think Sony did whats right... I can guess that most 'Hackers' on PS3 have online (which is kinda what its for; the games are boring else). To have more hackers online though... Perhaps Sony made a few mistakes (i dont know if this has been confirmed yet but a large quantity of personal data was unencrypted, and there software wasnt 'up to standards'), but whether or not the results of the hackers actions was there goal, what they have done is illegal, so i back Sony up all the way. Just hopefully this next update will protect the network from further attacks...

[biolizard89]

I think Sony did whats right... I can guess that most 'Hackers' on PS3 have online (which is kinda what its for; the games are boring else). To have more hackers online though... Perhaps Sony made a few mistakes (i dont know if this has been confirmed yet but a large quantity of personal data was unencrypted, and there software wasnt 'up to standards'), but whether or not the results of the hackers actions was there goal, what they have done is illegal, so i back Sony up all the way. Just hopefully this next update will protect the network from further attacks...

Umm, the PS3 hackers e.g. GeoHot, Bushing, Segher did nothing illegal, at least under U.S. law.  Reverse-engineering to develop interoperable software is considered a Fair Use right.  European laws are generally even more liberal.

If you were referring to crackers, not hackers, I think you're in the wrong thread....

[Link]

I think Sony did whats right... I can guess that most 'Hackers' on PS3 have online (which is kinda what its for; the games are boring else). To have more hackers online though... Perhaps Sony made a few mistakes (i dont know if this has been confirmed yet but a large quantity of personal data was unencrypted, and there software wasnt 'up to standards'), but whether or not the results of the hackers actions was there goal, what they have done is illegal, so i back Sony up all the way. Just hopefully this next update will protect the network from further attacks...

Umm, the PS3 hackers e.g. GeoHot, Bushing, Segher did nothing illegal, at least under U.S. law.  Reverse-engineering to develop interoperable software is considered a Fair Use right.  European laws are generally even more liberal.

If you were referring to crackers, not hackers, I think you're in the wrong thread....

He's completely right.. Reverse-engineering is fine by European law too - it's admittedly difficult in case of the PS3 to develop software there are no real homebrew SDKs most "homebrew" uses the Playstation SDK - and the use of that is.. well.. probably illegal, I am not a lawyer. Cracking into systems howver and even worse stealing data is certainly illegal.

And on an honest side: I did have a bit of Schadenfreude about what happened to Sony but I also feel with all PSN users who lock their credit cards now. It is a disaster and well.. while Sony does treat hackers such as Geohot not in the way they deserve, we should still feel for PSN users who are afraid their data is being abused.

[dcx2]

Technically, it wasn't stolen.  Sony still has the data.  This is the same argument we use with music; downloading music isn't stealing, it's infringement, because the original owner still has the data.

Sony has suffered from "personal data infringement."  haha

[James0x57]

I swear I didn't infringe anything! There was some sparks and then the bits just happened to resemble all this data!

[hetoan2]

Technically, it wasn't stolen.  Sony still has the data.  This is the same argument we use with music; downloading music isn't stealing, it's infringement, because the original owner still has the data.

Sony has suffered from "personal data infringement."  haha

so if the data is encrypted with something like TrueCrypt, then is it the same data as it was before? Or does that just make it something new?