WiiRd forum

Please use the following link for information about past and present Wii firmware updates...

Update sum-ups (http://wiird.l0nk.org/forum/index.php?topic=1879)

Just to let everyone know, a new update has been released by Nintendo.  This update adds an IOS50 and IOS254 to the Wii.  IOS254 is used by PatchMii (http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/PatchMii).  Here is a log from Marcan's Wiimpersonator...

Wiimpersonator Log:
http://wii.marcansoft.com/wiimpersonator/reports/20081118-031038.log (http://wii.marcansoft.com/wiimpersonator/reports/20081118-031038.log)

HackMii Information:
Rise of the Dead (http://www.hackmii.com/2008/11/rise-of-the-dead/)
3.4 and recent updates (http://www.hackmii.com/2008/11/34-and-recent-updates/)

UPDATE:  The Twilight Hack (http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Twilight_Hack) has been updated to work on the 3.4 firmware.  Note that it can only be used once each time.  When you return to the System Menu, it will be removed.  Therefore, it is recommended that you use it to install the Homebrew Channel (http://hbc.hackmii.com).  If you are on 3.4, use the download link below...

http://hbc.hackmii.com/dist/twilight-hack-v0.1-beta2.zip (http://hbc.hackmii.com/dist/twilight-hack-v0.1-beta2.zip)

Please note that for homebrew purposes, it is still recommended that you NOT update to the 3.4 firmware.

WiiBrew Information:
System Menu 3.4 - WiiBrew (http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/System_Menu_3.4)

Quick Summary of features on 3.4...

To update only the Mii Channel, use the following homebrew tool...

Mii Channel Updater - WiiBrew (http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Mii_Channel_Updater)

This is unconfirmed by me, but this tool should also still work properly... Link edit: I used that application before, it works

Wii Shop and IOS51 installer - WiiBrew (http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii_Shop_and_IOS51_installer)

Please read any readme's/page descriptions before using any tools.

Link edit:

Besides the IOS254 Nintendo installs, also DVDX is being deleted.. so they are absolutely attacking the DVD read capabilities of your Wii including those of reading backups on non-hardware modified Wiis - so to people using those.. don't update.

If you use hardware-modified Wiis to play copies - it will continue working!

looking at that the system menu is also changed. O_O

Does it effect us in anyway?

I'm all for them blocking the "warez" (no sense beating around the bush with the *coughcough* "backup" terminology.  I just hope it doesn't kill Homebrew in the process. There's some really cool legal home brew out there so it would be a shame if they really do stamp it out some day.

Obviously I won't be updating.

The problem seems to be that if you update to 3.4, the Wii will then auto-update without asking you anything...
So far HBC and geckoOS works, but what if a 3.5 update came out and delete HBC? Bye bye geckoOS?
That's a problem!
Also, OBVIOUSLY, the modchips aren't affected....

stickied.. the new update seems to block the TP Hack again according to Wiibrew.. it does not remove the HBC however.

Also moved to announcements - this is important in my eyes!

this new update allows auto-updates. so basically, you take this update, and you take every update that will kill homebrew slowly one step at a time.

plus this deletes all your unofficial channels.

We NEED bootmii

so your saying if we update to 3.4 when 3.5 comes out itll auto update?(o shet)

Heard Nintendo is releasing opera 2.0 browser to wii soon, if we legally own the copy of 1.0 could there be a way around these updates and still be able to get this?

So if we download this update, unless someone comes up with a great workaround somehow, then we're generally screwed for the future with the auto update thing.

Dammit, just as the games I want to import are coming out, they release an update that improved SD Reading and Wii loading time. Nintendo really love to mess with us. ;-;

was about time they did, almost every flash app I open on opera don't work because of the build in flashplayer is outdated

I'm sure Bushing will find a good way around this for the TP Hack, I mean, he's done it before and he can do it again. Otherwise, just don't update and use Gecko OS to boot the games that come with updates. Problems solved.

http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16290 (http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16290)

w00t, tabbed browsing, that way I can watch megavideo, because off all those ads (if you try to watch a video it just opens the ad)

BTW, Link why don't you put this in the big News thing on the top of the page

Not for me, I love the sound of this update speeding up SD Card load times, and eventually I'll want the update that "fixes" the harddrive problem.

So I really hope a workaround is found that will last in the long term, otherwise I'll have to choose between Tales of Symphonia 2, and my Wii not giving me a headache. :(

For Opera: I doubt it'll support >Flash 7 animation. Adobe is yet to open up their Flash SDK.. currently the only availible publically usable Flash version is 7 - therefore I wouldn't really expect Flash 9 or 10 support - for best information about that you might want to visit http://www.opera.com maybe they know more details as they develop the actual browser and Nintendo's doing the user interface!

For a future TP hack: Nintendo did plain stupid mistakes allowing for a redo of the TP hack... they made 2 major mistakes.. but these 2 major mistakes are easy to fix and they seem to be the only mistakes. If those are fixed.. then the TP buffer overflow is gone!

Now THAT has me worry a little. I'm hoping Nintendo doesn't find the mistakes so everybody can still install the HBC. Otherwise, there's going to somehow gonna have to be another method to get it onto Wiis... and I doubt there will be. D:

Wow, Nintendo sure is smart enough to target those who need an SD Card the most  :eek:

WHAT?!? A NEW UPDATE NOW ALREADY??? HOW LONG DID THE PREVIOUS UPDATE LIVE? WHY IS NINTENDO DOING THIS? the only thing i am doing with homebrew is using the codes for fun, not to cheat, nintendo really needs to stop acting like little children :eek: well good thing i readed this massege before updating :P

Does the new update mess with HBC or geckoOS at all?

If not I think I'll update cause it sounds pretty tight... except for the auto update thing...

no it doesnt. but i wouldnt update, they might fix all thier bugs and figure out how to delete HBC one day(ya right...). and if you went to 3.4 youd have no choice but to update, then you coudnt hack(but this is IMO)

what the new update actually does to homebrew:

-HBC = unaffected
--> Gecko OS also unaffected except for rebooter
-DVDX and cIOS are uninstalled
--> Backup loaders and DVD player fail to work
-Twilight Hack doesn't work anymore

If you want to get the new Mii Channel.. get it via http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Mii_Channel_Updater
this will work with 3.3 without the official shop update (if you installed the shop update another way then it'll work) and 3.2 and whatever

Just dont delete homebrew channel what ever you do and youll be fine.

i made that stupid mistake on 3.3v2. luckly, TP hack booted gecko os till the new HBC came out. but i think that this update blocks TP hack altogether...right?

As of now.. YES!

The Homebrew Channel uses the signing bug, which means that if you were to delete it off, you would not be able to copy the saved version back onto your Wii.

System Menu 3.3 - WiiBrew (http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/System_Menu_3.3#Q_.26_A)

Opera additions for the big news? I do not really know, I use Opera myself but I would only want to put it there if it's really there..

Doesn't formatting your Wii system memory downgrade the system menu?

And if not would a Wii I bought now have 3.4 already installed?

No.
Most Likely.

For all we know this Link can be rumours but it was actually posted on a norwegian website which i trust source from that linked the source to there, so lets just see what happens next month but we can be aware of it maybe happening.

I meant the wii update not the opera update, sorry :-[

How would they ship the new Wii's to retailers so fast?

omg!! I'm getting fucking nervous, what a shit!!

I'll sticky it to the board news! I forgot, yeah, you're right!

So I didnt have to turn my Wiiconect 24 off before this?-_- That just sucks...
If I turn my Wiiconect 24 on then will it download automaticaly or can Is top it somehow...

If you updated to 3.4 and Nintendo releases a new update then your wii will update automaticaly(at least thats what nintendo says), so if you still have 3.3 or below you don't have to be scared of an auto-update

Wait so lets say, I hacked a file of Animal Crossing City Folk for like Maximum Bells (still have Homebrew Channel too btw) and saved afterwards, would my unfortunately updated 3.4 system Wii delete the save file eventually? :confused:

I don't think so, I think it only deletes modified savefiles

It doesn't really seem like their trying to stop the HBC, but more the twilight hack.

But if they do eventually get rid of our HBC by auto-updating, (I already updated.) would their be a way to make another "Twilight Hack" that would install HBC again?

I can confirm that formatting your wii in the settings does not undo any changes from an update.

What exactly are the downsides to not updating? Can you not play games over wifi? Or is it just the shop and wii connect24/7 that gets disabled.

That being said, to anyone who is thinking of downloading the update, DON'T!! Once you do this, you basicly give nintendo full control over your wii, meaning the second they find a way to delete the HBC you are SOL.

You know, those were my exact words after I read the details on the new update. And with the possibility of an update to the Internet Channel, it kind of becomes a race against time.

So if I were to buy a new Wii tommarow it would probably have 3.4 already on it?

I can't say for sure, but I would think that it would be very unlikely that it would have the 3.4 firmware.

Small problem, that wont always work. The Nintendo developers will eventually find a way around Gecko OS. They might even try hiding updates in SD cards that they plan to release for storing game saves and VC games, new Wiimotes, and other official accessories.

What needs to be done is development of a full custom firmware for the wii, not just exploits and a CIOS. That way Nintendo would literally have to repossess our Wiis to put their Nazi-like firmware in them.

Most Wiis currently shipped are still 3.1 or 3.2

For future auto-updates yes.

And for attacking homebrew.. it is quite logical to first of all attack the TP hack.. because the TP hack is the entrance for homebrew. Once the entrance is closed.. a mini update would be able to delete the HBC.. and bang! Lost.

OMG this sounds like nintendo working on an EVIL plan!!!

or... are we the bad guys???

Somethings you need to take into account here.

1. The Wii doesn't have a hypervisor or protected memory, which means there will always be a way to take execution of a game by making it crash or buggy game code.
2. We have the tools and ability such as WiiRD and Gecko to help find bugs in games.
3. Nintendo can't update boot1 as its hashed by boot0. This is the big one, as this means every console is vulnerable to bootmii.

were not the bad guys, its the wad installers, piracy loaders that's fucking up homebrew.

And then the clouds opened up and Nuke said "let there be hacks."

Thanks for the optimism mate. ^_^

yeah, the bootmii vulneribility is unfixable once it's "in".. installing it with 3.4 however is currently impossible..
though still.. yeah, I guess most of us are the good ones.. who pay for games!

If you have the homebrew channel, isn't there an app that downgrades your system?

edit: oh, that wasn't possible since the shop update. Any words of encouragement for me who made a series of lazy missteps leading to the accidental installation of 3.4. xD

You can theoretically downgrade 3.4 if you have the HBC: see http://wiird.l0nk.org/forum/index.php?topic=1879.0

Thanks a bunch! I think I've downgraded to where I should be... IOS36, I believe. Currently installing the latest shop channel sans functionality removal.

It turns out I wasn't as screwed as I thought because I thought the Animal Crossing update was the same as this. So all I had was IOS38 from ACCF.

Daaang, this stinks. Im not upgrading!

So what was updated on mii channel?
And the menu, cant really see whats changed after doing the IOS51 installer and Mii update.

As far as I know, USB keyboard support is all that was added to the Mii Channel, but I can't say for sure.

If you used the Wii Shop and IOS51 installer, nothing should change on the Wii System Menu.  However, I believe that there should be some changes in the appearance of the Wii Shop Channel.

Ok thanks, if you did not have homebrew you would had to update to get access to wii shop channel. And if we can easily update like this we can get opera 2.0 easy aswell.

Thanks, lol, while I hadnt been here for a few days almost updated.

I have the Wii Shop and IOS51 installer and cIOS.  I don't have to update with something else to use the Wii Shop now, do I?

I'm on System Menu v3.2.

No, the Wii Shop Channel should still be accessible.

Alright, cool.

something that worrys me is if nintendo could get the 3.4 update on a game disc and if you install the special features (like the update for super mario galaxy) you would install 3.4

Whats the big deal anyways?
its not like we are doing anything bad

Hopefully, GeckoOS will be able to bypass any updates without any issues.  Also, when BootMii (http://hackmii.com/2008/10/bootmii-the-beginning/) is released, that will hopefully make it very difficult to stop.

Nintendo mostly patches holes like the Twilight Hack because they also open the door to different forms of Wii piracy.  Unfortunately, the pirates always ruin it for everyone.

111, do you know if it's possible to not update for Animal Crossing: City Folk, but still use Wi-Fi?  I don't have the game yet I'm just wondering if anyone went through this problem, so I can prepare myself for whenever I get it.

Sorry, but I don't know.  I don't see why you couldn't use Wi-Fi, but I can't say for sure.

Well, I would assume Wi-Fi would be updated to require a certain firmware?

I guess Nintendo doesn't do that?

I would try it with my copy of Super Smash Brothers Brawl, but I don't have a Wi-Fi connection.  You might be right, though.

When you have the game, I would first just load it through GeckoOS, and see if there are any problems.  If you are running into any problems, I would then try to install just IOS38, which you can read how to do here (http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Updating_IOS_by_hand).  That will install only IOS38, and keep IOS30 and IOS31 vulnerable to the signing bug.

why cant someone just make the wii read the gecko os as its own channel so nintendo cant delete it

maybe because no matter what its not a real channel unless installed via wii shop... idk...

No Wi-Fi works fine. I have the game and I didn't update. I use Wi-Fi all the time and it works fine.

if the channels have to be downloaded from the wii shop channel then why wasnt the mario kart wii downjoaded from there. it was downloaded from a game but it is still a real channel. maybe just play with the gecko os a little and the wii might reconize it as a real chanel

I believe that Nuke was working on a GeckoOS channel, but I don't know the current state with that.  I'm not quite sure what you are implying, but more than likely, all unofficial channels will always have to use some form of exploit in order to be installed onto a Wii console.  Therefore, Nintendo would always have the ability to detect and remove them.

I don't know for sure but wasn't it because Nintendo's chanels use some sort of signature?

wait if there is some signature then cant we apply it to the gecko os channel so nintendo wont detect it

No...

Public-key cryptography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography)
debugmo.de >> Thank you, Datel. (http://debugmo.de/?p=61)
Keys, keys, keys. (http://hackmii.com/2008/04/keys-keys-keys/)

I'm not sure on how it works, but there is a key/signature that will sign data.  The signing bug allowed you to install software onto the Wii with a (somewhat) fake signature.  This particular bug has been patched by Nintendo, which means that the whole key would now be required to sign anything.  I forget the numbers, but the chances of brute forcing the key are very slim.

Again, I don't really understand it, so some parts might be wrong.  Hopefully someone who better understands it can explain how it works.

However, even if it was "officially" signed, Nintendo would probably still have the capabilities to detect and delete it.

Nintendo uses safe RSA signatures.. these cannot be forged that easily!

Look here Link:

lol, silly Nintendo :P

I wrote a program to calculate, encrypt, and decrypt RSA Encryption schemes not too long ago. Very fun stuff. :)

Nintendo might continue to make mistakes, but you cant expect Team Twiizers to save people that updates all the time. I would say 3.4 was a very fair warning and those who are aware, but my question still stands... how can people stop Nintendo from updating now with the 3.4 update, wont Nintendo be able to just auto-update this?

Clear internet settings and don't set them again.

How good would this be for wifi gaming?

It would be great, just buy a 360 and you'll have so much more fun! :)

Rather not, seems that microsoft makes more console mistakes than Nintendo tbh. Hrm something shining red is one of these things i dont like about it.

Not trying to argue, but they replace that for free.. Just saying, online play on 360 is a ton of fun.

Team Twiizers wins!

Meh i still stand by the good old games from Nintendo hehe, for some reason i just cant stand 360, no problems with ps3 though but this isnt about fanboyism. End of discussion.

Good to see you happy Link hehe.

Thanks for answering.  I have Starfall to block updates anyways from discs, so it's cool.

im just getting a little confused with this talk of animal crossing and teh like... is it okay to update with animal crossing? will is crush my hacking days forever?

Animal Crossing contains the first 3.3 update, which blocks all versions of the Twilight Hack, except Beta 1 and beyond.  The signing bug will still continue to work.  However, for homebrew purposes, it is probably better to use GeckoOS to bypass the update, and stay at 3.2 or lower.

I'm confused... does this mean I can update now?

For homebrew purposes, it is still recommended that you NOT update.  However, for people who did update to 3.4, the Twilight Hack will now once again work.  If you want some of the updated features, I would recommend using the following homebrew applications...

Mii Channel Updater - WiiBrew (http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Mii_Channel_Updater)
Wii Shop and IOS51 installer - WiiBrew (http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii_Shop_and_IOS51_installer)

These will install the updated Mii Channel, along with giving you the ability to access the Wii Shop Channel, while remaining on your current firmware.

The thing I want most is the faster loading times anyway, so oh well.

So if you have version 3.2 and you update with animal crossing you get version 3.3?
thats so retarded
they will probably do that for 3.4 and we'll all be in trouble
unless we can stop nintendo from auto updating with a hack ;)

and same for the wii speak channel?

It should also be noted that DVDX can potentially damage your Wii (specifically the lens mechanism). I left the DVD player (for Wii) on Pause for a couple of minutes, and when I decided to play a game instead, no more Disc Drive. The laser had been damaged.  I bought a new Wii and replaced the Disc Drive on the damaged Wii, and sure enough, the Lens/Laser was the only thing that was messed up. Maybe people who still use DVDX should reconsider. Its not that bad of a loss. Besides, most of us (if not all) already have a regualr DVD player. Let's not risk it.

Starfall blocks updates.

can you instal starfall with 3.3v2?
if so, can i have a link?

Starfall only works on 3.2E(v290) or 3.2U(v289).  If you have any other firmware, it will not work on it.  Visit this page for more information on the application...

http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Starfall (http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Starfall)

Read any disclaimers and readme's before installing, as you would be making permanent changes to your console.  Also, because of the latest updates, I don't believe that the AnyRegion Changer works properly, so you might not want to use that to change your region.

cIOS downgrader is the best for downgrading region as long as your wii has internet and it doesn't shut off while updating :P

You have to change your region?  I haven't downgraded before because I've never upgraded since 3.2U.

If you are on 3.2U, then no, you do not have to change your region.  What I meant was that Starfall only works on 3.2U and 3.2E.  For example, if you were on 3.2J, it would not work for you unless you changed your region.

For those who decided to take the 3.4 update, is there a significant change in performance?  Specifically the Disc/SD Card reads and loading times; or just better performance overall.

And by significant, I mean something NOT arbitrary. Something you'd think its worth risking the No Copy Flag feature (from rebboter) from 3.3b.

I would update, but I don't want to get rid of the Rebooter just yet. The Save extractor is ok and all, but the NCF feature is awesome. I hear this issue is being worked on for the 3.4 update, but me wants his Rebooter now  :P

wait the gecko OS rebooter doesnt work... O_o

It does on version 3.3

I bought a new Wii and it came with 3.3U.  I re-installed the Homebrew Channel (and my other apps that I had on my previous Wii, including Gecko OS, and excluding DVDX), made the Animal Crossing Disc update, the Wii Shop Channel Update, and IOS51. Rebooter works just fine.

i have 3.3v2 you have 3.3v1 huh?

I prefer to keep my Wii updated(I need an update to avoid crash or loooooong time on first loading a channel or a game...).
The hombrew channel works, the only thing I use is GeckoOS for Brawl cheats that I'm not using so much lately...

Rebooter or not, it works. With rebooter is better, but I don't need it so much.

I'm pretty sure its V2, but if that blocks Rebooter FOR SURE, then I must have V1.

yea i have v2 and when i try to reboot it says 'error: system menu'

Sony's ps3 just got the flash 9.0 update, anyone know if they use the same type of flash type as wii? If so wii can maybe get the update aswell in opera 2.0

That's quite likely then.. though I wonder.. Flash 9? We're already at FLash 10 :(
Anyway.. the Wii is different (PowerPC, the PS3 is a PowerPC 64 which is despite the name  completely different).. but yeah, it seems Adobe allows more licensing now!

Edit: checked Adobe's pages.. the new Flash SDK is the Flash Lite SDK.. which has VP6 and h.264 support and all other flash capabilities.. so it's kinda Flash 9.5 - so that'd be defenitely an improvement!

I think nintendo is trying to block Wi-Fi Hacking along with Wii Ware(z)

tbh theres no reason to update beyond 3.2, 3.2  is THE BEST system menu version you can have, you lose NOTHING and if u brick ur wii itll be much easier to fix

I've been reading the replies regarding to the 3.4. update. Sadly I did upgrade my wii long ago.
I know that the fact that the wii HBC does work and the Gecko OS up and running and the wii deletes saves and programs that doesnt comply with the 3.4.

My question goes out to anyone who have updated wii to 3.4 system that have tested out import games.
Is it still possible to save your import game save data to the SD card without the rebooter?
Normally I would try this out myself, but I dont have any imported games on me. Till December the 11th.
If it isn't possible, then ill just downgrade my wii.(currently learning.)

If anyone can shed some light to my question. I would really appreciated it.

Ugh, this is just gonna cause problems now, they'll probably start making games that'll only work on 3.4+ versions, even if people start making work arounds to these it's gonna be annoying to the makers & installers.

Did internet channel get updated?
Nvm false alarm.

If the save can normally be copied over to an SD card, then it should still work without the Rebooter.  However, if it cannot normally be moved from the console, then the Save Extractor (http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Save_Extractor) and Savegame Installer (http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Savegame_Installer) might work for you, although I have not confirmed that they work on the newer updates.  If they don't, then the only current fix to the problem would be to downgrade.

Thanks 111 for the reply  :D
I just hate playing a game over again and again, that doesn't keep my progress.
But if thats the case, ill just be the guinea pig to test out the save extractor and the save installer when the time comes around.

To just think about downgrading right now by reading other people FAQ's on downgrading a wii to any version is really risky, but then again everything what we do to the wii is risky, I rather wait for the MiiBoot to come around. Everyone was telling that Miiboot would be the safe way to downgrade.

I just like to say give my thanks to the people making Gecko OS and the wii HBC for making the wii more enjoyable!! :)

i thought it was Bootmii?... O_o

O_O'''' Sorry, it is Boot Mii. Not Mii Boot, my bad.

First time I ever wrote something backwards.  :D

Do you guys have any idea when it'll be safe to update the Wii to 3.4?

I really want to update since I find myself moving stuff from the SD Card all the damn time, but I don't wanna update if it means putting the HBC at risk.

I really don't have any idea on when it will ever be safe to update. But I think I can safely assume that 3.3 is the best way to go.
By the look of things no one is going to make any application work for version 3.4. and focus all of their resources on other application feature that doesn't work with 3.3.

But I believe no one is going to think about touching 3.4 (for the so called rumor about the self update or do everything from scratch again like 3.3). The only good thing I see 3.4. is to downgrade to either 3.3 or to 3.2. I kinda wish I had 3.3. so I can turn on my WFC24 without worrying about Nintendo silently updating my wii without my notice.

These are some of the reason I hear around people who don't usually take the risk from upgrading.
1.Some people update cause they don't have anything to either gain or lose.
2.Some people don't cause they don't want to lose/risk what they have already, especially modded- chipped Wii's or people who spend a lot of money on import games.

But for sure it would put a big risk on your HBC or else they wouldn't wasting their time putting up labels saying "Update only if its necessary." I dunno if this help but the only thing that work's for 3.4. from what I know is Gecko OS(just the launcher) works and running emulators. But the most I'll ever use HBC is for the ability to play import games, but if there was ever anything else that I could with my wii, chances are I would have to downgrade.

Their still many question that still need to be answered and their still some answer that still need to be confirm, but its going to be awhile before any new information is going to reflect on the update to 3.4. so don't expect anything too fancy but just a good solid method to downgrading without the risk of bricking your wii for 3.4 in my opinion.  Hopefully from what I said helped you somewhat.

I`m too lazy to go read everything right now, so could anyone answer these questions? Thank you very much.

With the 3.4 update, will I still be able to use the Twilight Hack?
Will the Homebrew Channel still be accesable?
Will I still be able to use Gecko OS to use cheats on games?

The only reason I use the Homebrew Channel, is to use Gecko OS to hack Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

1. Yes, Theres a special version for 3.4
2. Yes
3. Yes, But not with the Rebooter

Overall i suggest NOT to update anyway

The only problem I want to use is Gecko OS anyway, but I also want to use the program that Syntax Error end up using for their Brawl texture hacks... And I don't know if my 3.3 allows that anyway, so I may have to downgrade...

i have v3.4u on my wii and still be able to hack using gecko os

yh but u cant use the rebooter

Which = a small amount of codes so far won't work.

 :mad:then to make things better do not update to the 3.4

can you use the downgrader on 3.4 or not?

the one that works on 3.3v2 yes.

where can i get it?  :confused:

wii.waninkoko.info it downgrades your ios's so that you can use regular downgrader, you need a cios tho or ios16 and then a cios and modified wad manager to work on ios 16 to use it.

this message is for anyone who updated their wiis to 3.3 or 3.4 and so on.
I updated my wii because I thought that I could use my 8gb memory card in the wii didn't work, and that is when I realized what the update did so I went here:

Post any errors or problems on this thread: http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=116192
Download the zip here : Link edit: package contains IOS16 and IOS38 WAD files as well as channel WADs based on Nintendo code - NOT HERE!

eoc.zip contains simple instructions for n00bs

Beware: I WILL NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR WII IF IT GETS BRICKED there are some programs to fix semi-bricks, also note that most of the files in eoc.zip require a strong internet signal.

let me know if this was helpful, or if you want a wii game dump folder

And if anyone knows how to use 8gb sdhc memorycards let me know. 

Sorry, your download had to be removed the ZIP file contains proprietory IOS files which are copyrighted by Nintendo!

Woah.

let me get this straight.

If I have 3.4 installed but not the HBC, I can't install it, meaning I would have to use the twilight hack every time I want to use gecko OS?

Because I updated before having any knowlegde of Gecko OS.

So am I screwed?

Because copying the twilight hack each time is very time consuming when testing codes.

If I'm not screwed, could someone direct me on how to Install HBC on my 3.4.

you should still be able to install HBC in 3.4 xwink

Really.....hallelujah!!!!

Now...to look for some guides.

Oh yes a merry christmas indeed for HBC users  :D

I feel like Nintendo is ready to update again, the Wii shop is having some downtime for some upgrade.  :D

So who know what that could mean for the HBC

:O your right!!! AHH!!

If it does. Who's going to test out for 3.5. and maybe it could really answer our question about the auto update.

I don't think they will really auto-update, they just want to scare us xwink

I shall test it I wont mind if i lose homebrew atleast I can prevent others if summin goes wrong

As an importer, its better to be safe then sorry since Gecko OS is my only ticket to awesomeness imported games. But it would let us know if Nintendo is really bluffing about the auto update. =P


Awesome and thanks ssbbdude57, ill be looking forward to what you have to say about 3.5. =D
You know the usually question if you read all of the replies in this topic 3.4. XD

Well, we'll see what Nintendo does and dont worry i'll tell eveything that they do to Homebrew :D

No need to get carried away, there hasn't even been mentioned a 3.5


Installed HBC today...I'm so glad I did , it's so neat and looks like an authentic channel.

you used the quote feature wrong...
you can also click quote on the post you want to quote and its done automaticaly
just trying to help ;)

really? xwink

I just checked the Wii Shop channel its back from undergoing maintinence I also check my frimware still 3.4E

Does the 3.4 update make it where ocarina does not work? Because I really like using this program for codes for my wii. I want to update but I want to be sure it won't mess with ocarina and the HBC .

If you update to 3.4 you CAN still use ocarina

really really. its annoying when a mod edits your post just to change a smily. (cough, cough... hetoan2)

Thanks, ssbbdude57. I might consider the update now. ;)

No problem  :-[

Has anyone got the latest version of Gamecube action replay from datel i emailed them and asked whether or not it works on 3.4e and they said it does can anyone confirm this.

if you have an older version i recommend an older MIOS, it's free :P and will work 100%

or you can wait for Gecko 2.0 ;)

Datel will usually replace older versions for free in situations like this.  Just e-mail CodeJunkies tech support, say you have an old AR that the Wii blocked, and ask if they can replace it.  More than likely, they'll be happy to oblige.

That is true, but just so you know, the newer versions of the GameCube Action Replay do not allow you to enter your own codes.

So what do I do if I want to keep HBC and play Animal Crossing?
Oh yeah, I have 3.4 already and my HBC is just fine because i downgraded, but when I put in AC:CF the Wii wants me to update.... Do I have to do the downgrade thing again? Or how can I use Gecko OS?

As far as I know, Animal Crossing should work properly through the newest version of GeckoOS.  However, you also could try installing just IOS38, by using the following instructions...

http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Updating_IOS_by_hand (http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Updating_IOS_by_hand)

I tried it, didnt work, but my Wii still works.

Which IOS38-64-v###.wad do I install? There's 3 of them. Do I install all of them?

use the one on your game

The one on my game? Where can I find that?
I downloaded IOS38-64- v3609 .wad (remove spaces)

NEVER MIND I got it working!!! Thanks everyone.

True.  If you want to enter your own codes, you can either purchase SD Media Launcher for $20 USD, which Datel informs me works with 3.4, and then use GCARS or GeckoOS, or else you can do what Nuke said and wait for Gecko 2.0.  xwink

How come the Gamecube action replay works on 3.4E and the Wii freeloader dosent work.

The Wii Freeloader needs to use the signing bug (http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Signing_bug) in order to run on the Wii console.  The signing bug is (mostly) fixed on 3.3 and above, so the Wii Freeloader no longer works.

All GameCube software, including the GameCube Action Replay, does not use the signing bug.

Technically spoken: if coming from disc based games which are being initialized using IOS30 or IOS31 the signing bug is completely fixed in 3.3. Since 3.3v2 the signing bug is fixed in all IOS files and thus they do not accept installation and running of any unsigned content anymore - technically I tried to run a Trucha signed game on 3.3v2 just to find out: NO CHANCE. Gecko OS normally uses IOS25 or IOS36 to initialize a game.. so in 3.3 the signing bug would remain active. Since 3.3v2 it's fixed completely. There are still some flaws - otherwise the HBC installer wouldn't work but those seem all kinda minor and Team Twiizers didn't tell about details on how they work!

Well, rather than getting 3.4, I've decided to downgrade to 3.2, which I'm finding really confusing. Can anyone reccommend any great guides or advice? I'm definitely intruiged about what 3.5 may do.

3.5 wont be out for 3 months at least.

also easiest thing to do is just download Waninkoko's downgrader and just use it's pretty simple, just make sure you have your region U = us E = euro J = jap

Finished downgrading and now I can't play Brawl without upgrading *sigh*. Do I have to run it through GeckoOS each time I wanna play then? Or is there an app that prevents the mandatory update?

Boot through GeckoOS or get this app to use from menu:

http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Starfall (http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Starfall)

Do you have to go through the HBC for that one too? In that case I may as well just keep using GeckoOS. Thanks for the suggestion anyway.

You have to run Startfall only once. xwink

we need something like that for booting gecko OS... perma hooks ftw
should also have a rehook option so you can change games and not have the ID's be wrong if you know what i mean

that would be great :D

I'm kinda skeptical about Starfall because apparantly there's quite a bricking risk. Also when I start it up it says "Press B+2" but no matter how much I press them it won't start.

EDIT: Nvm got it working. Which options would you reccommend I install to avoid bricking it?

all of them, it only bricks if you're using it with the wrong version and whatnot...all of them are great though. I really love skip disc updates and boot recovery when Y is held on first GC controller, with a game in, itll boot and you don't even have to see the menu!

Oh that's cool, thanks for the info! What exactly is boot recovery though?

built in recovery mode by Nintendo; if your Wii was semi-bricked they can put in a disc that fixes it

about the skip disc update removal from starfall, i THINK its unsafe to use because if you brick your wii you cant unbrick it, because to unbrick your wii, you need a savemii and that looks for the update on the disk, if it skips the update, then how would you unbrick it?


im not 100% sure of this tho

Arg... all sounds very confusing to me... Unless this recovery mode is necessary for something I may go without, or just boot games with Gecko.

no no recovery modes completely  safe, its the skip disc update wich i THINK is unsafe becuause i THINK that u wont be able to unbrick a bricked wii with that

You can't :confused:

So what exactly bricks my Wii? I don't believe my Wii is currently at any risk of bricking, but if the skip disc update can brick the Wii then I'll just stick with Gecko...

I don't think it can, but if you're really worried, you can choose not to install that part in installation

Ironically enough, that's the main reason I downloaded Starfall, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about it.

It's a drag but I guess I'll just run games that need an update through Gecko.

use all but the GC region free and video patch. it can prevent games from playing on most consoles. only works on a couple of launch ones.

^_^

Oh, so the update skipper works fine afterall?

yes everything but gc region free

OK cool I'll set up Starfall a little later then. Cheers for all the info xD

EDIT: Is having recovery mode on really necessary? I don't want to be messing with stuff like that.

it doesn't force it  on anyway, plus its built in by Nintendo, completely safe.

i would recommend installing the recovery mode patch incase you ever brick and don't have a gc pad or moded gc controller

guys i wasnt saying the skip update check will brick your wii i said it would simply make it almost impossible unbricking a bricked wii because you wont be able to install a system menu IF u do brick your wii.

i cant confirm if this is true tho

Are there other ways to avoid the AC update and play the game? currently my wii is 3.2 and i'm not intending to update and starfall sounds a little dangerous  :eek:

Again, Starfall's only dangerous if you install GC region free, which you don't have to, according to hetoan.

Or, boot it in GeckoOS

Thanks for answering :)

Two more questions:
1 So if i boot it in GeckoOS i can play the game like a import game without the need to update?
2 I'm new to homebrew (used the tp hack to get it) and i can't find that much info about Starfall, is Starfall just as easy to use as Gecko and can i keep using GeckoOS after installing?

Thanks in advance

yes and yes

http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Starfall (http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Starfall)

You only need to install Starfall once, then you don't have to run it any more!

Alright, I'm new to these boards, and I need some help trying to get Gecko OS running.
Originally I never ever liked updating my console even before I knew you could do the Homebrew+Gecko OS stuff. So, when I learned about it, I jumped on like a bat out of hell to play Tatsunoko vs Capcom.

Ok, I accidently loaded up my Wii to the current firmware update 3.4
I have Homebrew Loaded, but the problem that remains is, every time I try to install Gecko OS it wont let me. It tells me
"This is not a valid Wii application."

Can you like, not install Gecko OS if you have Firmware update 3.4? If you can though, how would I go about doing it. Cause all it seems to do is stay at the loader, and not install the program at all =(

Make sure in your Gecko OS Folder its not boot.elf it has to be boot.dol

Where can I get the .dol from. My Folder only Had .Elf

you need a ELF2DOL converter

heres the link: http://wiibrew.org/wiki/ELF_to_DOL_Converter

heres where to put the programs:
1. Download files
2. put elf-dol_fixer and powerpc-gekko-obj copy in the APPS folder of your SD card.
3. Run the program (elf-dol_fixer)
4. All of your apps work on HBC 9 :)

It worked Thank you kindly !! And Happy New Year :3

lol no prob click the thank you button :D happy new year!

Well my Wii fell so the disk drive is busted. I'm gonna have to send it in. Now I can delete the HBC without any problems... But I installed a couple patches. One for the Wii Shop update and one for the Mii Channel update. If I'm correct, updating will remove those patches. Does anybody know if I send in my Wii, if Nintendo would update it anyway? I need to know if I should update and remove the patches.. or not.

Oh also if I DID leave the patches on there, would (or even could) they refuse to fix it or perhaps void my warranty from then on?

those "patches" aren't actual patches they're just the neccissary IOS versions and not the entire update that would disable the trucha bug. Nintendo will probably update but don't remove the patches.

Nintendo cannot refuse to fix your wii as long as you have your warranty and you haven't broken it (even though you have technically with HBC) but nonetheless they probably won't care. Also by sending it in you'll get a brand new warranty and you can easily downgrade from 3.4 so there is nothing to worry about.

Okay, my update isn't 3.4 but I can't find any posts for 3.3e . I got my update on Christmas playing Animal Crossing.
My console is Australian.

How could I get my homebrew channel back if I had deleted it from the Wii menu (keeping a backup on SD card.)

What version of the Twilight hack would I need to install the homebrew channel on this update?

Anything else I should know?

Please don't get angry at me, as of right now I'm in panic mode.

If your Wii is at 3.3, you can use the Beta 1 version of the Twilight Hack (http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Twilight_Hack).  Beta 2 is only for the 3.4 firmware.  Also, on the 3.3 firmware, if you back up the Homebrew Channel (http://hbc.hackmii.com) to an SD card, you will not be able to copy it back over.  You will need to install it again.

if nintendo decides to make an update which would stop homebrew for good (cant copy save files, all wads deleted etc. etc. then tbh wiibrew deserve to ignore people who decide to update from now on coz everyones getting plenty of warnings about updating with homebrew on ur wi and if those people decide to ignore those warnings and just update then i dont see a reason why wiibrew  should help them downgrade. (my opinion)

as for those who without homebrew but decide to get homebrew after that update, hmm i duno.

I think Nintendo can't stop homebrew, they always leave bugs to be exploited.

but what if they come up with an update whereby it disallows copying ANY safe file to an sd card, removes all custom wads and pirated VC and WW games, removes the  homebrew channel and deletes the twilight hack *_*

but its so irritating when people who have homebrew installed and then update knowing that theyll lose features, tehn say "AHH I ACCIDENTLY UPDATED!!!HELP" oh!! what a cooinsidence!! ur finger slipped and pressed a when u were hovering over wii settings, then oh it slipped again when u tried exitting and u ended up pressing update wii, oh AND THEN AGAIN!IT SLIPPED A THIRD TIME AND YOU PRESSED A OVER YES omg that such a common accident it happens every day, AND OH WAT A CO-INCIDENCE, IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO HAPPEN ON THE DAY THERES AN UPDATE (OR A FEW DAYS L8ER)!!

I don't think that Nintendo will remove the ability to copy a safe file.
That the same as removing the ability to load discs as a solution against piracy.

k maybe ur right.

and if theres a new update any time soon and someone with homebrew updates their wii to find a nice white brick, SHAME!

they could have blocked homebrew if they didn't have pink fish disk and IOS16. they should have just patched them all, deleted unofficial channels, and actually blocked twilight hack and other obviously modified saves -.-

k ermm how about we all stop giving nintendo ideas please (including myself), lol

theyre not allowed to harm your wii, no matter what you do to it, so bricking is out of the question

well in a way they can since u broke ur agreement.

the pfd and ios16 is illegal though, ninty wants to stop the pirates
downgrading is illegal

lolwut?

breaking the EULA does not mean they can do whatever they want, if they put out a bricking update they would have a HUGE lawsuit on their hands

well watver damage happens to people with homebrew updating their wii, shame.

This is still going on? Why cant people just not update there Wii? Simple as that.
If this is about people who ALREADY updated there Wii, then sorry I butted in.

well this theread reached a stage where we r discussing idiots who update their wii with homebrew then come running to wiibrew crying omg help i accidently updated my wii. -.-


so yh jumpi, ur on the right lines and i couldnt agree more

block nintendo's update servers using Privoxy on you're main Internet source before your WiFi :D

that's what I did.... plus starfall and some other stuff so nintendo cant screw me over.

I saw a guide somewhere on what nintendo sites to block with updates.

I don't understand why people in the homebrew scene complain about updates. As a company, wouldn't it be logical for Nintendo to make their system more secure? They're usually not specifically targeting harmless homebrew, but the the bugs and exploits that people use to install homebrew and such. It's not good if your system will allow anything to be installed on it, so they're just trying to fix it. If you're in the homebrew community, you shouldn't be updating in the first place, and should get used to it...

theres no way u can see 3.4 wasnt targetting homebrew, 3.4 almost killed homebrew, and lets see what you get from 3.4.

removes twilight hack
removes dvdx
stops downgrading.

oh heres one part people withou homebrew MIGHT NOTICE, you actually get to use a usb keyboard in the mii channel, thats right a keyboard in the mii channel, now you dont ave to waste 5 seconds of your life typing someones name coz u know it like takes forever to type someones name.




and yh, people with homebrew ust need to get used to not updating and watingfor wiibrew to help them update the safe way

So your saying that we should stay in 3.3 until they find out a safe way of updating the wii to 3.4? :confused:

No, we should stay in 3.2 for pretty much the whole time. That's how the PSP works.

Also, jassim, you're acting immature. Nintendo added the USB Keyboard into the Mii channel as a small add-on. It wasn't "bait" to get us to update, that's just stupid. It's a dull feature, but it's not the focus of the updated. A company will always improve the security of their system. Also, they're targeting homebrew because of the piracy it allows. It's hard to only block the pirated things, without destroying homebrew completely. If they don't, it would come back, obviously. Honestly, stop complaining about updated. Nintendo will never bait you with stupid things like a keyboard in the Mii channel, and you shouldn't be updating in the first place if you have homebrew.

P.S. The 3.4 or 3.3 update added in GREATLY improved SD reading and writing. WiiWare/VC games copy like 80% faster on the newer one.

Faster SD writing was not a ploy to get people to update. 3.4 however was. There is no way you can say that an update that small actually deserves its own update. nintendo just said that it updated the mii channel for noobs. Nintendo thought it would prevent homebrew for ever and one mistake was enough. they were wrong, but still the mii channel USB keyboard is not a reason to throw in 30 some IOS's modified without trucha bug... It was a ploy for 3.4 and 3.3v2. added SD support is good, but just like nintnedos other updates you can get it without risking your homebrew.

I personally did try 3.4.. and I did try to copy large savegames with stop watches.. and frankly spoken.. the speed increase in statistic middle was about 5%.. that means one nip less of coffee if you copy a Brawl savegame.. oh wait you can't copy a Brawl savegame in 3.4!

So all in all.. they seemed to have optimized some of their SD code but it's still wondering why they aren't using public domain code which is allowed to be used and would already max out the speed.. it's a little threatening to see the current libfat can read SDHC and transfers files faster than the Wii menu.

Same goes for the problem child: AES.. if they would have taken the official public domain source code which may be used by everyone, the Trucha Bug wouldn't exist!

Have you tried copying a VC/WiiWare game? Also, the main work was probably behind stopping homebrew, but they didn't want to release it, without a reason for updating to the non-homebrew enabled people. They made something quick, so that anyone without homebrew would know what the update was. It was just so they could make an update that people would recognize. I doubt Nintendo thought we would get rid of homebrew in exchange for a USB Keyboard in the Mii Channel. That's just a plain stupid idea.

oh come on you know that 95% of the 3.4 update was purely to destroy homebrew

it was to destroy homebrew. no questions asked. the extra thing they threw in was a way for them to actually market it as an update without saying. Download this unneeded Update to destroy something you know nothing about.

Otherwise nobody would do it.

I installed Wiibrew's shop channel updater but the mii channel update isn't even worth those 2 minutes of downloading and installing

@ SD card speed improved

is it really good?

I have several VC games and have to copy over all the time to make Wii memory space >.<

There anyway you can add fast SD and stay at 3.2?

I'll check myself later

the dvdx thing is just ridikulous... its basically their denial of not adding a dvd player to the wii when they could have,

nintendo probably wants to sell their patch through the shop channel. so by deleting the free ones it increases the number of people that will buy nintendos

Nintendo didn't add DVD support for a good reason. Just ask yourself if you have a DVD player. Almost everyone these days has one, and they're starting to die out in favor of Blue-Ray/HD-DVDs. It would be a pointless addition to the Wii, that would only make it cost more money to buy. If I want to watch a DVD, I put it in a DVD player and press "play". I don't switch my input hooks to the Wii, load it up, find the Wii Remote, click on a channel, after that loads, then watch it. Watching DVDs on the Wii is kind of pointless. Also, with DVDx, I've heard that the fan doesn't run while it's playing the DVDs.

???????????????????????????????????????????????????

wait wait...wth...lol...

wats it to nintendo if we wanna watch dvds on our wii?  ok they didnt add a dvd player we forgive them, but wth is their problem trying to stop us watching dvds?

also some people (like me) have their dvd players downstairs and often prefer watching a movie in their own room cuddled up in their bed.

I guess there are also other aspects.. the Wii in its current form only has the advantage of allowing DVD navigation using Wii Remote. That would be indeed cool. But for me, I'd still play DVDs in my X360.. why that? Simple:

I am a friend of Surround audio which the Wii has no capabilities of (and no Dolby Pro Logic is no surround it's an upsampling solution).. so I wouldn't get my nice Dolby Digital 5.1 sound - which my X360 offers.

In the end to produce a DVD which is up to date with current market products they would have to add that feature. And then: PAL Wiis are identical in Europe and Australia.. yet EU and AU have different region codes.. even Easter Europe which also gets PAL Wiis has Region Code 3, Western has Region 2.. and Australia was 4 if I remember correctly. So the logistical difficulties were too hard I guess!

I heard that the wii's lens doesn't like watching movies, because while playing a game the wii just uses the dvd drive once in a while but while watching movies it just needs to load the movie on and on.
I've seen some feedbacks of people who watched movies on their wii and they say its not worth it, because there is a change that the lens will die.

I highly doubt it.. the Wii lens indeed had certain problems on old Wiis.. especially when it comes to readability of Dual Layer disc and DVD movies are practically 99.9% dual layer.. it's the same reason Nintendo needed to readjust multiple lenses for Smash Bros (they didn't just clean them).. if it really was that the Wii wouldn't like DVDs then chipped Wiis would die one after another.. which they simply do not!

Add: additionally, the Wii is constantly reading discs.. 99% of all games use streaming audio.. so they stream it from the disc and require a constant on-going read of data!

still no reason to try and stop us from watching dvds when
A) its legal
B) its not piracy so they wont lose money
C) why should they care if we watch movies on our wii O_o

agree 100% with you

It's not worth their time, is the problem. Once again, most people have a DVD player, and the quality of sound, as stated above, is better on the 360. There's no point in it, it's just an extra little feature that would probably not gain enough money from to be worth it. It would take too much time and money to build a feature that a lot of people would have no need for. Look at the Internet Channel. It only costs $5, but hardly anyone even uses it. It's because it's not worth 5 dollars for an inferior method of browsing.

as i said before, we forgive them for not adding a dvd player, but why stop us from have dvd player?

im part of that small % that uses that channel.... see my computer is so stinkin lousy rotten slow it just drives me nuts! i have to wait 5 min before it loads a site, 30 min before it completly starts internet explorer and that is just annoying! with the wii it takes 30 sec. to load the channel. and 2-4 sec. to load a site. so its VERY useful to me

Well, yeah, they didn't need to block DVDX...they are not working on it, and for the few people like Jassim that want to watch DVDs on Wii...it is a good thing to have. Then again this probably goes back to the whole Homebrew fight...

I can't even imagine that. How much RAM do you have, like 300 MB or something? I have a 3 year old machine with only 473 MB of RAM, and it works fine. You should seriously think about getting a new computer.

i may be exagerating a LITTLE BIT. and again i say A LITTLE BIT!


lol ill upload i vid so you can imagin it :P

You might want to try getting off of internet exploder. Try Opera, Firefox, or Google Chrome. All of those will give you a performance boost over IE. IE also has a new exploit, where a hacker can access all your data, and get your credit card numbers, personal information, and pretty much anything. Even Microsoft says not to use it anymore.

they mustve targetted dvdx somewhere in their updates it cant simply get blocked randomly they mustve disabled it.

They blocked it because of the backup loader, and the blocked all fakesigned and trucha signed disks/programs. They didn't target DVDx, they targeted the piracy program that was enabled via DVDx. And it was the October 23rd update. The fakesign/trucha sign blocking also prevented WAD installation.

REALLY!!? THX FOR THE INFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREATLY APPRETIATED!!!!!!!!!

the backuploader doesnt use dvdx does it? it uses a cIOS i think. i would ask someone on gbatemp but id just get 100 saddos flaming me for asking a "nooby" question. lol sr but i cant stand the gbatemp community (90% of it, the admins and mods r gr8 people tho)

I think that some of the warez loaders use DVDX, but I'm not entirely sure.  From what I understand, some do not.  Also, yes, they do need a Custom IOS to work.

About GB*****, I would honestly just stay away from that worthless site.

from what i know you simply install a cios and itll work.

and about gbatemp again.
lol, i went on that site once coz i accidently updated (literally accidently, i was on 3.3Ev1 and i forgot about the 23rd oct update and pdated with disaster day of crisis) and i was being even more sorry about asking a question there than i am here. they all reply.
GOOGLE IZ UR FREND!

hahahahahahahahahaha...no.....

The backup loader requires DVDx installed, and a cIOS. DVDx installer is a cIOS anyway, so it depends on the loader. But DVDx is needed for it to even read unencrypted DVDs.

k i just read a guide about getting the backup launcher involved, the word dvdx doesnt appear to be in the guide so im pretty sure that dvdx isnt involved in piracy

Not directly, like hombrew channel, that makes able to use the backup loader for example.
btw, what's doing all this this on 3.4 update topic LOL   

about how part of 3.4 targetted dvdx

I seriously regret updating to 3.4. I updated before I even knew of wii homebrew.

Though, its nice I can still use the homebrew channel and thus the gecko OS. I am missing out on some neat and downright better than the 3.4 update can give. So in conclusion, it's better not to update.


Besides, the homebrew channel is pretty nifty and useful, and it looks very authentic.

pekola i have some advice for you.

downgrade to 3.2 and dont ever update, youll appreciate it so much, think of it, starfall, trucha signed discs, easier to unbrick, safer from brick (youll understand when you get starfall :D)

I have thought about it, and I might possibly do it.

Thanks for the advice.

just incase u dont know wat starfall is, its a menu patch with these features u choose wich ones u want and which ones u dont want.

skip updates from discs
region free channels
region free wii games
skip the press a warning screen
region free gc games


it only works on 3.2E or 3.2U.

Its all about licensing costs which they would have to pay per unit sold. They wanted to make a profit on the console unlike Microsoft and Sony, so cutting licensing costs of having playback could of greatly reduced the price.

I'm not sure who has to be paid for licensing, for sure Macrovision is one.

What nuke said, if they used DVD's they would have to pay royalties, WOD's = No royalties.
Also, the laser is damn cheap, they don't want you wrecking it with dvdr's

Not only that, but mainly nintendo is just trying to prevent people doing homebrew, even if its not illegal, because the homebrew people actually make good stuff that if it was nintendo, they would charge you for it.

I do hope nintendo comes to realize how handy this homebrew is, and let us do our own thing.
But that's just wishful thinking.

I'd be willing to bet that it is mostly done to block piracy.  Most of the homebrew applications that have been created would never be endorsed by Nintendo, so there isn't really anything that they would charge for.

As far as licensing issues go, the vast majority of homebrew developers would not buy one, regardless of whether or not the system was open by various exploits.  If Nintendo was only concerned about this, they would probably lose more money by blocking homebrew developers than they would ultimately gain.

However, at the end, they are going to block any exploit that allows unsigned code to run on the system.  If you can run your own code, there is always the potential to abuse it for piracy purposes.

starfall sounds amazing can you tell me where to get it?

http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Starfall (http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Starfall)

thanks for the link but how do i not brick my wii from it?

as usual, no ones ever bricked or semi bricked their wii from this, its very brick safe since it only patches the menu. trust me on this, there is a 1% chance of a brick, probably less

oh ok thanks :D

are you on 3.3v1 or 3.3v2?

also are you using waninkokos downgrader or anyregion changer

you need to downgrade is a certain way, http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=112945 (if im not allowed to link this im very sorry) if your unsure of anything ask me and ill try and help.

also ill just tell you this,dont be scared of the disclaimer at the top, as usual no1s ever bricked their wii with this

I just found out that Region Free GC Games caused a problem for me where the video would not load when I loaded GC games [my region], only the audio, however it would work through GeckoOS...for region free...I suggest using GeckoOS...

my wiis got a modchip so i cant exactly test that :P

i said a while ago that the vidtv patch and region free gc games are hard to install and are usually botched

What does vidTV patch do anyway?

allows playing on any TV pretty much. you'd only need for out of your region games tho

K...could come in handy

well for me it hasnt been very useful because ive tried to use vidtv patch on imports it makes no difference between having it on or off and i still end up playing in black an white.

just use it if a game isnt booting through gecko os

Ha... I just got my Wii back from Nintendo. They fixed it (of course) but they didn't update it or anything. Everything is exactly as it was when I sent it in. I can't say that they always won't update it but they didn't for me so I'm gonna guess they probably won't. (Just thought I'd inform you how it went.)

Probably because they didn't do anything with its software. Depending on what you did, they most likely just opened it up, and replaced the broken chips, and tested to see if it turned on.

Um... Yeah that defiantly could be it. It was a physical problem so they probably just didn't do much with the software other than make sure it worked.

i'd rather use a different patch. that one = FAIL, unless you want to install a billion and one times

Seriously, though :  :runaway:


But what if one of the future updates just so happens to be programmed by Nintendo to automatically install itself? No notification or asking permission. Then we'd all be hosed no matter what. After all, it's their console, so legally speaking, they can update everything however and whenever they want. They'd probably state it like "We are only doing what is best for our customers" or something.

No reason to panic, though. I guarantee that there are at least a few people who are employed by Nintendo that use Homebrew, so the chances of them actually killing the project aren't very big at all.

Still, though,  :runaway: !

the update's been analyzed and there's no code that actually allows nintendo to force an update over wifi.

it's just a threat.

unless they block games until you do the update, in which case, it is possible.

I've blocked nintendo's update servers on my wifi adapter anyways.

how did you manage that?

anyway, oit always seemed dodgy to automatically update because what happens if you turn your wii on while its updating, or you unplug your wii while its updating? Brick? possibly, if that was true  because it would be like your half on 3.4 and half on 3.5 so youll have a faulty system menu which could=brick

with certain wifi adapters you can actually block addresses from going over your wifi.
Like to block your children/students from getting on sites and stuff.

so i just blocked their update servers. forget what they are, but i have it notify me of DLC updates too for accf. you can get them on some site just search.

jassim they wouldn't do it like that. i'm sure they'd force it through game channel

::Installing Game::
*and secretly installing system menu update*

yup... damn nintendo keeps trying to make our lives difficult.

Well not really mine since I dont hack homebrew apps :|

Yeah, updating your Wii for you is way more difficult than going in and doing a manual update. The whole point of that feature is because most people who don't know how to do much stuff on their Wii never update, and this will solve that.

no offense, but you're wrong.

that's what nintendo wants you to think, but in reality they put in the feature to take away people's choice of doing the update.

nobody is stupid enough not to push a button, especially when your wii tells you to -.-

when nintendo removes peoples choice they can Force any type of update, even one that will destroy homebrew. which isn't what people want.

they do almost nothing for the average player, they only disguise the updates with a few "special" features and then tries to sell it to everyone. Potentially ruining homebrew for the stupid, and preventing those who don't know anything about it from ever getting into it.

It most definitely is not to meant to help the stupid people that can't press 2 buttons.

Besides people that stupid can't hook their wifi up to their wii. (it's 3 clicks and the most they can do is 1)

If you're stupid, you shouldn't even be messing around with homebrew. There are some serious consequences if you mess around with homebrew and have no clue what you're doing. I love how everyone is so surprised that Nintendo is killing homebrew. OMG NINTENDO IS MAKING THEIR CONSOLE SECURE AND REMOVING PIRACY WHY THEY DO THAT!!!!???? And the auto-update feature was not made to kill homebrew automatically, it was made so that idiots who never update will not have to worry about it. I'm not going to deny that they fix security exploits in their updates, because it's common sense to secure your own product. Just don't update, there's no need to get everyone together for a conspiracy theory circle jerk.

-.- they put it in as a direct attack at homebrew. They could care less about the auto-update feature which they will never use at all. they just put it out there so that they can either threaten, or once they get a patch that will actually have a good chance at blocking homebrew for good then they will use it.

It's not whether stupid people should mess with homebrew, its whether nintendo actually makes updates for stupid people.

Nintendo can't prevent piracy. there will always be pirates. with things like flatmii, modchips, and emulators piracy will ALWAYS exist. they don't remove it they just stop people from creating homebrew apps of stuff nintendo could do.

If for homebrew someone makes a DVD player first.
Nintendo could sell a channel for a lot of money.

Nintendo will want to patch homebrew to increase sales.

Nintendo didn't make it for anyone but homebrew users so saying it was made for morons that can't update is wrong.  It wasn't made for convenience, it wasn't made for morons, it was made to prevent homebrew whenever they feel like it.

All they need is one time for someone to update to 3.4 and then not bother to downgrade or downgrade properly and then they can fix your system for life, without your permission.

It's not a conspiracy theory, it's just the truth. It even says so on the update that it's meant to get rid of unofficial files in your system and will automatically update to prevent these in the future.

OH NO NINTENDO IS FIXING SECURITY EXPLOITS EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE.


Damn, why do people who use homebrew even care? It's not like they're going to be updating anyway.

i don't care, i just wanted to say that you're wrong.

you use homebrew too. or are you just here to spy?

i'm on to you...

but honestly, no hard feelings ;)

Hi if I did the update to 3.4 can I go back to 3.3? :confused:

you can downgrade your wii, but you'd better downgrade it to 3.2v1

i think that this is the last time the twilight hack survives an update because it nearly got taken down this time, i think that in 3.5 a twilight hack wont exist and the omebrew hackers would have to ind another game, imagine for 3.5 we have a"mario galaxy hack" or a "brawl hack":P

Imposible. Team twizers has looked into that (read it on hackmii) and it wont work :(

matt you're wrong, other loaders exist. they've even said so. theres one for the godfather that was made a while ago. they're simply not releasing it until twilight hack is permanently dead.

If I remember correctly, it may be possible on Metroid Prime 2 aswell.

And I agree with hetoan on Nintendo's reasons for 3.4 update...

thanks RSR *applauds twice*

did i not tell you how much i agree with you on nintendos 3.4 update?

edit: i was just kiddin :P

i applauded you before...

I never said Nintendo WASN'T attacking homebrew. I said there's nothing wrong with it, because they're just making their console more secure, and harder to use pirated copies of games.

while i think it did help to stop pirating i don't think theirs anything they can do since it requires a cIOS which overrides nintendo's no matter what.

they should have blocked IOS 16 and installed that on too. I see no reason as to why not

well no matter how hard they try theyll always fail because pirates dont update their wii, and even for those disobedient losers that do, the pros get a workaround for it so to be hoenst they may as well give up cos theyre just wasting time

Is there a guide at all to downgrading?

http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=112385&pid=1501123&st=0&#entry1501123 (http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=112385&pid=1501123&st=0&#entry1501123)

even though it says 3.3v2 it actually works with 3.4 you just need the new twilight hack.

out of all places gbatemp, seriously those guys are so annoying ask one question and they all flame you. if you have any questions about it tilly pm me first then ask them at gbatemp.

Not posted in a while; I'm just here for a little update, I hope that's alright!

My Wii has been on 3.2 for a while now, it's annoying to have to boot most new games through Gecko, but I've gotten used to it. I guess it's because I can't be arsed to use Starfall, I'd rather wait for BootMii.

So basically I'd like to know, anything I've missed? Is there any way to have the 3.4 loading functions (which I still really want) on a 3.2 Wii?

Thanks in advance guys! The announcement of ToS2 not coming to Europe was a bit of a wakeup call, it reminded me of how glad I was to have hacked my Wii.

starfall will stop the annoying update message.

or preloader

lol you cant be "arsed" for starfall, takes 3 mins to install max

Thing is I already have it on my Wii; I'm just a bit wary of using it from all the warnings it gives you :(

trust me its completely safe no ones ever bricked their wii from it plus it only patches the system menu making it very brick safe, i re-instaled like 10 times and nothing happens.

I had an older version of gameucbe action replay that was blocked with the super mario galaxy wii system uodate to 3.2e.But have bought the new version which is said to work on 3.4e How come the previous version got blocked when the wii updated to 3.2e.This new version of action replay hasn't been blocked on any firmware updates.

the MIOS v5 actually looks specifically for the code in Action Replay v1.14 disks and below and blocks it.

The newer version that datel released is just the same thing with a workaround for 3.0+

The action replay was patched in system menu 3.0 btw not 3.2

well there are a couple problems... like when you activate region free channels it sometimes wont load any channel (happened to me so I used the recovery mode to load the Twilight hack and uninstalled the region free channel hack)

When will the wii get this new storage solution is it coming soon and do you think we will have to do a firmware update.

it will definitly have a firmware update, but hopefully wiibrew will help us get round that.

With this current gamecube action replay from datel which works on 3.4e will it most lickley work on 3.5e as well.Hopefully Nintendo won't bother to block the gamecube action replay anymore.Just one more quick question how exactly is it possible then that the  gameucbe action replay works on 3.4e,And the freeloader does not.Is it different software they use in the game disks would like to know that's all.

Personally I am in doubt that a 3.5e will exist.. basically there is 3.5k and 3.5k is kinda like what 3.3v2 was for us.. so we might be skipping that number in the end.. still: an Action Replay block is something hard to do speculations about.. as Nintendo always blocked the old version I for myself expect it to be blocked again.

You would think Nintendo would have more important things to do rather than blocking gamecube action replays.They spend all this time trying to block action replay's etc when they should be concentrating on getting the storage solution problem sorted out and better games etc.

Main reason: the block is easy.. my inspections on ARs is that Datel never changed the apploader... and they only change game IDs.. if you look at MIOS, you'll find a list of all to be checked game IDs - these are the ARs, Freeloaders and whatever.. the system recognizes: aha, game ID match.. checks if it has a Datel apploader and block.. as long as Datel does not adjust their apploader, they just have to add game IDs to their list.

Nintendo bothered to block 2 other versions that datel released with an MIOS v6 and a v8 already.

i don't think it's that hard.

I didn't have to update at all to have the Wii get ticked when I try to use my GC AR. Straight out of the box, I played one game (didn't update) and then popped in my AR - it rejected it.

And now I find out that I'm going to have to hunt down a different version of the Load-Mii-Shop-Update program, because the one I have doesn't work (freezes in the middle of the process). I was using the one they said was compatible with HBC! Oh well. Maybe there's a more recent version. But until then, I can't use the shop channel, and my Wii Points (those things aren't cheap) are completely useless. Just so long as it's not a well laid trap by ninjas... ;P

I assume you have a new Wii.. many Wiis as of now are shipped with software versions above or equal 3.0 (fabric Wiis currently even have 3.4 if i recall correctly).. if you have one of those.. AR won't work!

I got my Wii in the middle of May 2008. I'm not sure what version it would have been in that case.

I'd guess 3.1 but I cannot be sure!

So yes, your Wii already blocked the Action Replay then

Yes, and I started in the whole home brew scene shortly after I got the Wii, but I only started having problems in December. The code manager issues were just the ones that stood out the most, I guess, because I was shocked when suddenly a program that worked excellently (much more than I had expected it to at the time), just suddenly became unrecognizable. I've reinstalled the program at least four times, from different sources and different versions, and none of them work. Like someone at some point said, it's possible that it's a compatibility issue with the version of HBC I'm running now, as opposed to the version I had when Code Manager still worked.

I've also been unable to get Code Downloader to download anything at all, but that's a mostly unrelated topic, other than the fact that they have connected uses. I've scratched my head about a lot of odd things going on with Home Brew apps that don't want to behave, but this is the only one that flat out became unrecognizable that I couldn't easily fix through reinstalling it.