this is a great day for america! turn on the news everyone.
Just watched the speech gave by Obama, Great day for America!!!. My Thanks goes out to everyone involved. ;) though this won't stop attacks, its still well needed and a long time coming.
terrorists are comming for sure for that...
This is called a Pyrrhic Victory.
Sure, US Forces killed Osama bin Laden. Mission Accomplished.
But we continue to send robots into the sky to drop bombs on Pakistan. Innocent civilians continue to be the collateral damage of the drone bombing campaigns. We are not winning hearts and minds over there; we are trying to create the next Osama bin Laden.
Consider this. Suppose a member of the NRA launched a terrorist attack in Pakistan. Suppose the former owner of your house was a member of the NRA, and that a Pakistani agent looked up the member list for the NRA, and found your address, and bombed your house, killing your family. That sounds totally absurd, right?
However, that situation is every day life in Pakistan. If it was your family that was "collateral damage", then you might consider what intelligence analysts call "blowback".
The longer we reign terror down from the sky upon the innocent under the pretext that there is evil among them, the greater chance we will create the very evil we seek to destroy.
HAH!
In social militancy, if there is no other Leader that steps up to the mark, nothing will eventuate. Their followers are saying that Osama is irreplaceable, which means no one else is being followed. Unless there is another leader which I don't know about.
Wars last much further into the death of the leader though, this is because there is an excess of stubbornness in people. This can be seen in animals, where a rat being informed to stop a behaviour will spontaneously increase the behaviour that isn't wanted. After the extinction of the behaviour, some past behaviours which were thought to be extinct can reappear. It's all part of normal extinction behaviour.
In other words, the Osama team might go kamikaze! This is most likely be predicted and stopped.
On the other hand, power has an evil affect on good people. Refrence: Psychologist Philip Zimbardo:"The Lucifer Effect" at TED.com (Hence what dcx2 is talking about... in a way)
Quote from: Mathew_Wi on May 02, 2011, 04:15:18 PM
Amazing what America can do when PSN is down isn't it? (It's a joke, don't hate)
I'm pretty sure Osama shouldn't have used his real address on his psn account... He should have fled when he first heard of the 77 million account details that were lost...
Quote from: hetoan2 on May 03, 2011, 11:44:47 AM
Quote from: Mathew_Wi on May 02, 2011, 04:15:18 PM
Amazing what America can do when PSN is down isn't it? (It's a joke, don't hate)
I'm pretty sure Osama shouldn't have used his real address on his psn account... He should have fled when he first heard of the 77 million account details that were lost...
I think he was talking about the seals that went in and took him down (instead of playing CoD).
lol
Wasn't there like some IT Consultant dude who was sitting around the area where the incident was happening, posting stuff on twitter before he realized it was the CIA busting in to kill Osama?
Yes.
Quote from: James0x57 on May 03, 2011, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: hetoan2 on May 03, 2011, 11:44:47 AM
Quote from: Mathew_Wi on May 02, 2011, 04:15:18 PM
Amazing what America can do when PSN is down isn't it? (It's a joke, don't hate)
I'm pretty sure Osama shouldn't have used his real address on his psn account... He should have fled when he first heard of the 77 million account details that were lost...
I think he was talking about the seals that went in and took him down (instead of playing CoD).
lol
I was just simply replying with another PSN related joke that had to do with it.
Osama had it coming. It was a real life CoD mission.
There was yet another attack in Pakistan today, killing 80+ people at a military training ground funded by the US. The al Quaeda said it was revenge... It just shows that the death of thier leader has reinforced thier beliefs that the US is a form of evil. In my view, the war against terror is a losing battle for the US, as thier efforts are only making situations more dire.
But then again, what could the US do? Capturing him would lead to further attacks, and the demand of Osamas release. Leaving him put the US and other affected areas in the world at risk. The only option they could take without missing thier chance was to kill him. And for the 9/11 victims or families? I dont believe this is 'justice'. One dead man in the world can't bring loved ones back.
There are al Quaeda based groups all across the world. Terrorism I don't think can be stopped. Lets just hope that the US make good desicions in the future, not to antagonize those groups.
Here's the real mind-twist. That attack was probably going to happen even if we hadn't killed Osama.
I seriously wouldn't be surprised to see the terrorists demonstrating new behaviours. Blaming the death of Osama on an external cause could be the least of their destructive attitude. They've had more motivating things to perform on so I predict a decline in membership or at least not as many people congregating in revenge than the old true reason to be at war with everyone; the holy land.
Quote from: Patedj on May 14, 2011, 01:02:48 AMnot as many people congregating in revenge than the old true reason to be at war with everyone; the holy land.
That is a very interesting point!
Osama 2.0
I figured that it wouldn't work so I'm posting the web site's content. (my laptop just got a blue screen...). She went on with a few more clips. I can imagine they'd be on the internet.
The Micheal Jackson thing was more of an supportive quote that allowed him to talk about how westerners don't like to think about death whereas Arabians embrace the fact that everyone dies. It didn't sound like a mocking tone but more of a "Even He Says It".[spoiler]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTRExj9EIRc&feature=player_embedded[/spoiler]. Here's the other one.[spoiler]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTRExj9EIRc&feature=player_embedded#t=157s[/spoiler]
The CIA is on his case! And he's been to court. It's looking bad for him.
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[spoiler]Meet Anwar al-Awlaki: the radical Islamist dubbed ‘the bin Laden of the Internet’ for his mastery of digital media.
Seen by the US as leader of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, American-born Awlaki is a key inspirational figure for ‘home-grown’ Western terrorists and says jihad is ‘as American as apple pie, and as British as afternoon tea’.
Awlaki spent much of his childhood in his family’s native Yemen before returning to America to acquire his two degrees.
In 1993, he visited Afghanistan where, he claims, he trained with the mujahideen.
After university he served as an imam at several mosques. He was arrested twice during his time in San Diego for soliciting prostitutes, and investigated by the FBI for suspected ties to Hamas, al-Qaeda, and the terrorists behind the 1993 World Trade Centre and 2000 USS Cole bombings.
Two of the 9/11 hijackers met with Awlaki and there’s evidence he helped them find money and apartments.
Awlaki left the US in 2002, lecturing in the UK before moving to Yemen in 2004, where he is now in hiding.
For Muslim youths in the west - not fluent in Arabic - Awlaki’s videos and blogs speak their language: in plain English.
He also references pop culture, in one YouTube video Awlaki ridiculed Michael Jackson's death, using it to sell holy war.
He broadcasts by video link to England and in 2009 delivered a sermon by phone to Sydney’s Lakemba mosque.
Nidal Hasan, the Muslim US army psychiatrist charged with the Fort Hood shooting in Texas, exchanged emails beforehand with Awlaki seeking religious guidance.
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, allegedly met with Awlaki before attempting to blow-up a Detroit-bound plane.
And Faisal Shahzad, who admitted trying to set off a car bomb in Times Square in May 2010, told investigators he was inspired by Awlaki's online lectures.
Some Muslim scholars are surprised by Awlaki’s profile. He has no formal Islamic training and is not seen as a leader within radical Islamist circles.
But his influence over young converts in the West means the US does take him seriously. In April 2010, after declaring jihad against America ‘binding for every able Muslim’, Awlaki became the first American citizen to make the CIA kill list. Earlier this month, he narrowly evaded a drone attack in Yemen, which killed two other alleged al-Qaeda militants.
Anwar al-Awlaki: using all the new media weapons of the 21st century to wage a medieval war. Osama… 2.0
by Kirsten Drysdale May 18, 2011 at 02:45pm [/spoiler]
She goes on with a few more clips. The Micheal Jackson thing is not really a mocking but more of a quoting using an informative supporting comment, " "I want to live a thousand years." Westerners are