As far as I know, I didn't alter the IOS or whatever its called and my System Menu is at 4.3. I'm very new at this stage of homebrew and I only got this and Accio Hacks to cheat at one game. The game in question is a WiiWare game. Final Fantasy IV: The After Years to be precise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxWQ9sM8yu8
That video shows a more productive version of the program. The one I got via WiiBrew only has the options Launch Game, Config Options, About, and Exit. What's going on? Do I have to alter the configurations? Do I have the wrong version? Do I need to have a disc inside? Help would be greatly appreciated.
I'm guessing that you have GeckoOS 1.07b or lower, which doesn't have support for channel cheats. Try the latest version of Gecko, which is 1.9.3.1. That version has support for channel loading/cheats. You can read more about it, and download it from the following page...
http://wiird.l0nk.org/forum/index.php/topic,3228.0.html (http://wiird.l0nk.org/forum/index.php/topic,3228.0.html)
If you are on the 4.3 System Menu, then your version of IOS36 will not allow for channel cheats to work. You will need to either patch it or downgrade it (not recommended). To patch IOS36, the instructions on this thread may help you...
http://wiird.l0nk.org/forum/index.php?topic=6575.0 (http://wiird.l0nk.org/forum/index.php?topic=6575.0)
I would like to make a tutorial for patching IOS36 on 4.3, but I'm not sure if I have enough time right now. 4.3 is a little more complicated, since as far as I know, you need to use IOS41 in order to get the ability to patch IOS36.
First of all, you might want to reread the thread title. I DO HAVE the latest version! The problem is doing this IOS thing. It sounds like one small move and I could brick my Wii. I'll wait for some kind of safer workaround...if one ever comes.
Sorry, I missed that part. Anyway, yeah, you need to patch IOS36 in order to get channel cheats on 3.3V2 or higher. Since all that you would modify is IOS36, that should make it pretty safe. IOS36 is not used by anything important, like the System Menu. The 4.3 System Menu uses IOS80.
brkirch, the author of Gecko 1.9.3.1, said that he was looking into a way to do it without patching IOS36 (http://wiird.l0nk.org/forum/index.php/topic,6625.0.html). I don't know if he has made any progress on that, though.
The only reason IOS patching is dangerous is because there's like five billion web sites that try to tell you how to do it. I trust that whatever instructions 111 supplies will be The Correct Ones.
For what it's worth, I've had to do the IOS36 patch a few times to support the channel cheats. It's not that bad...DOP-Mii is really a top-notch application.
If you can follow directions carefully, you will be fine. If you like to skim directions and just press buttons in hopes of getting it right...then yeah, you might not want to try this. But in your initial post, you provided lots of details, so I'm betting you're in the first camp.
So long as the instructions are precise, the risk minimal, and the files not too hard to obtain, then I'll be sure to follow through with this. Or I just need a bit more time to think this over. I just want to cheat a little, not hack.
...if my Wii wasn't having such a hard time playing my Brawl disc (some have problems with double-layered discs) I'd probably use Smash Stack to install this BootMii thing...just in case.
EDIT: I looked into the DOP-Mii And BootMii articles on Wiibrew. It says it'll make permanent changes to my flash memory. If used correctly I take it that these changes won't have any adverse effects on my Wii?
Okay, I just got DOP-Mii and these options came up:
QuoteWhich IOS would you like to use to install other IOSes?
IOS: 36
Install IOS36 (v3351) w/FakeSign
Scan the Wii's internals (SysCheck)
Exit
Which option is the correct one? I also got some of those .wads from another thread 111 linked but they're not in the SD card just yet.
IOS15-64-v257.wad
IOS15-64-v1031.wad
IOS36-64-v3607.wad
IOS37-64-v5662.wad
IOS41-64-v2835.wad
I'm not sure on the details, and 111 is gone for a while...I think that's the right version of IOS41. Now, be extra careful, but I think this is the right process.
Make sure all Gamecube hardware is unplugged. All of it.
You should be able to use DOP-Mii with a clean IOS, like 36, to install IOS41. So you select the first option (IOS: 36). Feel through the menu a bit until you can install the right version of IOS41.
Then restart DOP-Mii with IOS41 (with IOS: 36 selected, press..uhm...left or right?...to get to IOS41). Downgrade IOS15 to v257.
Then restart DOP-Mii with IOS15. Now you can patch IOS36 (Install IOS36 (v3351) w/ FakeSign). I think you need identify, but you probably should do trucha too.
Then restart DOP-Mii with IOS41. Upgrade IOS15 back to 1031. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND MANY PEOPLE FORGET THIS PART.
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If at any time, you feel worried or concerned about what you're about to do...don't do it.
Your instructions are satisfactory but I'm starting to get cold feet. All I want to do is activate a few cheats after all and permanently altering the Wii's flash memory...I dunno, the paranoid side of me says that such a thing might have long term repercussions. Or not. Only way to know is to try. If I do, I'll post back here. Still, do I need to have those .wads in the SD card for DOP-Mii or are they only necessary for the Trucha Bug Restorer thing?
You can have the wads around, but if your Wii is connected to wifi, it will download the necessary files from Nintendo.
I understand the whole cold feet thing. Permanent changes to NAND are nothing to sneeze at. But, really, this isn't so bad. Once it's over, you'll be like "...that's it?"
The Wii is always connected to Wifi, though I hardly make any real use of it. So I don't need to put any of those .wads in the SD card, correct? Also, what do you mean by "feel through the menu a bit until you can install the right version of IOS41"? Seems a bit vague, but since you mentioned that Wifi will retrieve that sort of thing automatically, I can disregard that part? And do I hold the Wiimote sideways or upright during this process?
You shouldn't need the wads, but they might come in handy anyway.
By "feel your way", I mean that DOP-Mii can do some things with boot2 and MIOS and IOS and stuff. It's been a while since I used it, so I'm not sure what the right entries are to get you into the IOS menu.
It would be like telling someone to to install a computer application. Run the installer, and "feel your way" through the menu to make sure the settings for e.g. minimal installer are run. You don't give explicit definitions like click Next three times, you just say "run the minimal installation option"
So before I do this I'll repeat a quick rundown...
1. Remove all Gamecube appliances, memory card and all
2. Fire up DOP-Mii via the Homebrew Channel
3. Select "IOS: 36"
4. "Look around" until I find the right version (whatever that is) of IOS 41 (is it the v2835 one?)
5. Restart DOP-Mii with IOS41 (by restart you mean hitting the Home button to go back to the loader and choosing DOP-Mii again, right?)
6. Downgrade IOS15 with v257
7. Restart DOP-Mii with the downgraded IOS15
8. Patch IOS36 (the one with the FakeSign and v3351)
9. Restart once more with IOS41.
10. Upgrade IOS15 back to 1031
...and just like that I'm done, right? No idea what trucha is. Do I need another homebrew app for that too?
4: Yes, I'm pretty sure 2835 is the right one. It should be the oldest one.
5: I'm not sure if you need to restart. You might be able to "back out" to the first menu and select IOS: 41 without going back to HBC...or you might have to go back to HBC anyway.
6: Yes. This process will be quite similar to step 4
7: Quite similar to 5
etc
Trucha is some name that ended up being attached to what is more properly called the Signing Bug. It was a big fat huge stupid mistake that Nintendo made (if you're a programmer-y type I can give you some gory details). It basically lets us brute force a much simpler cryptographic calculation in order to fake sign code so that the Wii will accept it.
You can patch the fake sign bug back into IOS36, but what's important for rebooter/channels is that ES_Identify is patched. Gecko OS uses that to pretend that it is the channel that it is loading, so that it has access to the game's save files etc.
EDIT: you might ask why the one menu option is fake sign when you don't really care about fake sign. The answer is that fake sign is required for the pirates to install their USB loaders, and so that is why it's the label, even though that menu option can apply more patches than just trucha.
So I either go back to the beginning or go back to the Homebrew Channel. If I do the latter after morphing some of the IOS wouldn't that cause massive problems? Like bricking? And I couldn't help but notice that IOS36 governs the functions of a few games. Namely, Brawl. Which I own. Should I pull this off and my Wii not bricked, will the Brawl disc still work?
You aren't really morphing IOS. You're using original Nintendo IOS files, up until the patching of IOS36.
All that patching does is copy the bits from the old version of IOS36 that still had the bugs, and puts them in the newer version. Your IOS36 is still the most recent IOS36, so everything is still okay.
Once upon a time, some people who didn't understand what they were doing thought it might be cool to go through and replace some IOS with other IOS. For instance, IOS38 is bigger than IOS36, so why not just replace 36 with 38? Because this can cause bricks, that's why!
The recommended process should always have all the IOS at the latest version when you're done (the exception is IOS41, because your Wii isn't Korean)
In my case personally I have most IOS files up to IOS36 in early versions. However, that is a risky process theoretically as every system menu update would overwrite them with new versions. Thus I use preloader (4.1E Wii) to disable disc updates. For other IOS - I install them one after one - difficult way admittedly but it works.
Yes, newer IOS revisions might be safer, however so far I only saw old games using the old IOS - so for now Brawl still works besides my IOS36 being an old trucha-enabled original Nintendo version. So far it does not cause problems. However, I also do not use IOS movings - like replace IOS36 with IOS38. It can cause problems (and it already did in the past).
Basically the only IOS I patched so far were IOS60 and IOS55 - but that was for the Conduit as that game contained a text file for configuration whcih simply caught my attention. It allowed to enable in-game debug menus and such. And well, as I modified the disc for that (my Wii is old and has a modchip so it can play burnt discs natively) I needed a patched system menu IOS (IOS60) and a patched game IOS (IOS55) so that the game would run.
After the fun was over, I modified the IOS back. Before people ask if I have a cIOS - well, yes, also a cMIOS but (except for Gecko OS Mod) they are of no real use to me. I really hope to see more use of HW_ABPROT in the near future - that switch should make many cIOS functions useless you could do them natively then (as the PowerPC has full hardware access when this flag is set). Okay, it won't help software backup loaders but well, I do not officially support them nor do I use them.
I finally mustered up the courage to start...only for an error to appear. After selecting "IOS: 36" this showed up:
Quote>> ERROR! Choose an IOS that accepts fake signing! Press A to continue.
So should I choose "Install IOS36 (v3351) w/FakeSign" after all? If so, are the instructions the same or do I need to do something different? Again, the extra IOSes I got aren't on the SD card. If I DO need them, where on the SD card should I put them? The root? Another folder?
Okay, I did a little looking around. If you have DOP-Mii v13, then you just need the "Install IOS36 with Fakesign" option. Sorry to confuse you with trying to select an IOS first...
If your Wii is on the 'net, then it should automatically get the right versions of all the IOS and do all the work for you. If you don't have v13, then you need to install IOS41 *first*, before you launch DOP-Mii.
Ah, thanks. My Wii is on the 'net, so I just have to choose one thing right? Should've mentioned that I got the v13 edition.
Yeah, do the IOS36 with fakesign and follow the prompts.
And I did...sort of. Until it was telling me to download a version of IOS41 that you didn't mention. IOS41 v3348. Wasn't it supposed to be v2835 or did you really mean the former version? Its giving me a choice to either cancel, download from NUS, download from USB storage, or download from SD card. I canceled...then another prompt came, telling me to download IOS43...I don't remember the version but again that wasn't mentioned in your instructions. Were there more changes to DOP-Mii that you didn't know about or am I supposed to keep canceling until I get the prompt telling me to download the correct IOS? Thankfully, I managed to get back to the System Menu before I accidentally downloaded a conflicting IOS or something.
Only Korean Wiis use IOS41 so you wouldn't have to worry about that.
I went looking again, and it appears that 3348 is actually correct.
Apparently DOP-Mii will go in search of a suitable IOS that can downgrade IOS15. Since you declined IOS41, it went to 43.
So I have to download that Korean IOS then? From what you say nothing strange will happen if it ends up on an American Wii. If so, I take it that the "download from NUS" option works best? If so, there might not be any need to put the IOSes I got via the NUS Downloader (the one for the PC) in the SD card.
Correct, download IOS41 from NUS.
If you download them on the PC, I think they go in the "WAD" folder at the SD root.
Whew, I went through the prompts (didn't have to reset after all!) and now its telling me to patch IOS36 v3351. I chose yes, but now it wants me to apply NAND Permissions Patch. Should I or is it unnecessary?
The only thing you *need* is Identify. fakesign aka trucha is a bonus. Not really sure what NAND permission patch is for...I don't think you need the NAND permission patch, but I don't think it's bad.
YES!!
IT WORKS! The Gecko OS AND the cheats!! Thank you so much!! If the app stops working due to another update to the System Menu I'm DEFINITELY coming by here. Once again, thank you for your patience!!
You're probably thinking to yourself "man, that wasn't so hard, why is everyone so paranoid?"
BTW, you never ever have to update the System Menu. It is an entity separate from the various IOS.
Don't use the Disc Channel anymore, ever. If you get a new game that requires a new IOS, use Gecko OS. It will download only the new IOS, but not the System Menu.
Wait wait, don't use the Disc Channel? As in, the channel used for Wii and Gamecube games? I DO have stuff I want to play through that as well and I rather not be a full-on pirate. I just wanted to experiment with a cheat or two. And suppose the System Menu actually updates with something useful again (though the SD Menu is arguably the only useful addition unless they add USB storage support).
...pirate? There's nothing pirate about Gecko OS. It only supports original Wii games. There's a Gecko OS Mod that does GameCube games, but it too only does originals. No burnt discs or anything...we don't support piracy on this forum.
Since you have Gecko OS, there's no reason to use the Disc Channel ever again. In fact, using it involves a very small but significant risk that a System Menu update can wipe out HBC.
Even if you do want a SM update, eventually they update HBC so that it's compatible with the new SM. But I know people on 3.4 that can still play new games and stuff.
Quote from: dcx2 on September 04, 2010, 03:13:05 AM
Even if you do want a SM update, eventually they update HBC so that it's compatible with the new SM. But I know people on 3.4 that can still play new games and stuff.
I think you can launch every new game with gecko os, ignoring the system menu update, you normally need to do.
This only doesn´t work, if the ios, which is needed for this game, isn´t installed.
Then Gecko OS gives you an error, when you are trying to boot the game!
But that´s always better than using the disk channel (you could also just boot the games, with codes turned off)
Quote from: Bully@Wiiplaza on September 05, 2010, 03:01:29 PM
This only doesn´t work, if the ios, which is needed for this game, isn´t installed.
Then Gecko OS gives you an error, when you are trying to boot the game!
If your Wii is connected to wifi, Gecko OS will automatically download and install the required IOS without installing the System Menu update. I know this for a fact because it happened when I bought Super Mario Galaxy 2.
Quote from: dcx2 on September 05, 2010, 05:45:42 PM
Quote from: Bully@Wiiplaza on September 05, 2010, 03:01:29 PM
This only doesn´t work, if the ios, which is needed for this game, isn´t installed.
Then Gecko OS gives you an error, when you are trying to boot the game!
If your Wii is connected to wifi, Gecko OS will automatically download and install the required IOS without installing the System Menu update. I know this for a fact because it happened when I bought Super Mario Galaxy 2.
That would be incredibly stupid! All official Gecko OS devs are strictly against piracy, but there should a pirates only feature in Gecko OS? Only pirates have the possibility to remove the update from the disc. And only pirates are that stupid to do that.
Until now i was sure Gecko OS takes the IOS from the disc's update partition. Every wii game has an update partition, even Wii Sports, and there are all files you need to launch the game. How else should it work if your Wii is not connected to the internet?
I do recall reading that GeckOS takes all necessary files from the update partition on the game disc itself.
I am currently still on system menu version 3.1 and boot ALL my games through GeckOS. This bypasses the system menu update and I have allowed GeckOS to install any missing/updated IOS that the game calls for...direct from the disc.
This has in no way modified my system menu in anyway and everything works exactly as it's supoosed to, even all my new games.
I am pretty sure the IOS was extracted from the update partition of the game too.
Quote from: Romaap on September 05, 2010, 11:27:34 PM
I am pretty sure the IOS was extracted from the update partition of the game too.
but it´s possible to remove them and burn the disk afterwards LOL
My bad, I assumed they downloaded them from NUS.
Regardless, I know that Gecko OS will help you play any new games without updating the System Menu.
It is true, I tried it myself too.. I removed an IOS and tried Gecko OS with a game requiring that IOS. It pulled it from the update partition as it should, no internet required. If people use brick-blocked discs (modchip users/cIOS users) then it's able to help them.
dcx2, I though you told me downgrading is obsolete, and that multi mod manager is the recommended app
Yes, downgrading is obsolete now that there are apps that patch IOS36 using AHBPROT. Multi Mod Manager is one, I believe 111 also recommends Simple IOS Patcher.
Wow, just came here to give out a big thank you for making this thread. I was looking everywhere for a legitimate instruction in installing IOS36 and having it Patched. Dcx2 and you other guys are complete geniuses! Can't thank you enough, I followed Shadoed State Of Mind's issue and it helped me out as well. Got the channel launcher and everything back on gecko os.
I will also let you guys know if anything shows up. I have tears of joy on finally getting a working IOS36! ^_^. Again thank you.
Quote from: Gigafrost on October 25, 2010, 09:04:37 PM
Wow, just came here to give out a big thank you for making this thread. I was looking everywhere for a legitimate instruction in installing IOS36 and having it Patched. Dcx2 and you other guys are complete geniuses! Can't thank you enough, I followed Shadoed State Of Mind's issue and it helped me out as well. Got the channel launcher and everything back on gecko os.
I will also let you guys know if anything shows up. I have tears of joy on finally getting a working IOS36! ^_^. Again thank you.
I don't know if this is going to reach the right guy,
I had a situation last year trying to update everything on 4.2 i remember how much of a disaster that was. but somehow i wound up with 4.3 as i just realized last night, and also discovered that getkos has yet again disappeared the option to load wiiware channels. and so i'm having trouble remembering exactly what i had did before to fix the problem, but seeing as it's being discussed i thought this might work
So far i got 3 versions of truca bug, the regular, and 2 version of bug restorer, i also have dop-mi 13
and i've got NU downloader.
I am trying to download the 5 files reccomended to put into the wad folder, but since it's been a long time that i've used NU, i'm finding it's taking quite awhile for it to download ios41. Does that normally take a long time to do? and if not, somebody please point out what i am doing wrong
Quote from: Shadowed State of Mind on September 03, 2010, 11:36:13 PM
YES!!
IT WORKS! The Gecko OS AND the cheats!! Thank you so much!! If the app stops working due to another update to the System Menu I'm DEFINITELY coming by here. Once again, thank you for your patience!!
Folks, it is definetly true. But i need to assure you that reads this you will have different ways of trying to set this up, But yet again i was able to successfully make it happen. What i did was i downloaded a program called multi-mod manager ( which should be called a better version of NU downloader, because i'll tell ya if 100 other people make YT vid's saying it's easy, i can promise you it's not at all easy) and what you are able to do is download ios files that allow you to not only download the correct ios files but to bug the correct files needed to run this, so basically install ios41 on top of a bugged ios36 and that's how i found it to work, Now i may have not specified this to the decimal point, but i found out that multi-mod-manager is definetly the way to go. So for real just assume i didn't get it right at all, because likely you all will, but before you go, go ahead and try what i did, if i screwed your systems then obviously this post was a waste!!!!!!
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I just can't understand what you are saying.
To get the channel option in Gecko OS 1.9.x, you need to patch your IOS36. What program you use for that doesn't matter, but all tools that have any relation to IOS15(downgrading IOS15) or IOS41(korean IOS not present on other regions) are outdated. All new patchers use AHBPROT and require to use a recent HBC. And then it should be:
a) Connect the wii to the internet and click through the program
or
b) Download the correct IOS with NUS Downloader, put in on sd card, and then click through the program
Which programs do that now, i don't know, i'm a bit out of the loop.
Quote from: WiiPower on November 08, 2010, 03:39:56 PM
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I just can't understand what you are saying.
To get the channel option in Gecko OS 1.9.x, you need to patch your IOS36. What program you use for that doesn't matter, but all tools that have any relation to IOS15(downgrading IOS15) or IOS41(korean IOS not present on other regions) are outdated. All new patchers use AHBPROT and require to use a recent HBC. And then it should be:
a) Connect the wii to the internet and click through the program
or
b) Download the correct IOS with NUS Downloader, put in on sd card, and then click through the program
Which programs do that now, i don't know, i'm a bit out of the loop.
What I believe you're thinking of is the Simple IOS Patcher no?
At least that was the program I used to patch IOS 36 (for about a month ago)
It's quite easy to use (I used the download from NUS & pack as a Wad method because I don't have WiFi connections on my wii)
However, I believe that this method of patching an IOS has something to do with piracy...
If it gets you an IOS that is able to install unsigned and/or trucha signed content, then yes it is somehow piracy related, because you can use it for that too.
But i prefer to relate IOS patchers to piracy only if they allow playing backup wii and/or gc disc games. For some time those IOS patchers without backup uses were even allowed on WiiBrew. (now they are banned because patching IOS permanently is bad in the eyes of some people from TT)