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Wii & Gamecube Hacking => Wii Game hacking help => Topic started by: turok on January 01, 2009, 10:58:17 AM

Title: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: turok on January 01, 2009, 10:58:17 AM
My naruto Gnt4 is too scratched from repair but luckily I made a backup or an "archive" should this ever happen.
Is there any way I can play it on the wii? what do I do or its not legal to do so?
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: Romaap on January 01, 2009, 11:59:16 AM
Its legal to play backups you made (At least in my country, it might be different where you live).
You need an modchip or a backup launcher (homebrew) to play the iso.
You can use this (http://wiird.l0nk.org/forum/index.php?topic=41.0) tutorial on how to burn a disc.
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: Igglyboo on January 01, 2009, 03:43:16 PM
He cant use the backup launcher for gamecube games.
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: Romaap on January 01, 2009, 05:03:39 PM
sorry, my bad :-[
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: Jassim on January 01, 2009, 05:18:07 PM
Quote from: Romaap on January 01, 2009, 11:59:16 AM
Its legal to play backups you made (At least in my country, it might be different where you live).
You need an modchip or a backup launcher (homebrew) to play the iso.
You can use this (http://wiird.l0nk.org/forum/index.php?topic=41.0) tutorial on how to burn a disc.
sry my knowledge of law sux and i dunno wats legal and illegal so reckon u can lemme know which country that might be?
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: Romaap on January 01, 2009, 05:38:33 PM
Quote from: jassim on January 01, 2009, 05:18:07 PM
Quote from: Romaap on January 01, 2009, 11:59:16 AM
Its legal to play backups you made (At least in my country, it might be different where you live).
You need an modchip or a backup launcher (homebrew) to play the iso.
You can use this (http://wiird.l0nk.org/forum/index.php?topic=41.0) tutorial on how to burn a disc.
sry my knowledge of law sux and i dunno wats legal and illegal so reckon u can lemme know which country that might be?
Holland
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: biolizard89 on January 01, 2009, 07:43:54 PM
For reference, in America, it is considered Fair Use (in other words, legal) to make a backup of software/movies/music that you legally own and to play them later (e.g. with a drivechip, or a softmod, or an emulator).  However, President Clinton signed a new law in 1999 called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which bans commercial use of devices/software that circumvent copy-protection systems.  The Wii and GameCube do use copy-protection (hence why your DVD drive won't read the discs and your console won't read DVD-R's).  As a result, you're still fine using backups for personal use, but (for example) selling backup launchers is (strictly speaking) illegal under the DMCA.  Now, here's the thing.  In the case Sony v. Universal (AKA the Betamax case), the Supreme Court was very critical of a hypothetical law which, interestingly, is exactly what the DMCA became a decade after that court case.  There are therefore many people arguing that that provision of the DMCA is Unconstitutional, and therefore null and void should a court look at it.

The DMCA is really quite idiotic; it basically says that (a) you have a fair use right to copy your own stuff that you paid for (regardless of what the copyright holder says) and (b) people only have the right to sell you the tools you need to do so if the copyright holder says it's okay.  Quite contradictory.  You can see why the U.S.'s copyright law is currently the laughingstock of the world.

Okay, so point being... backups are legal in the U.S., selling backup launchers in the U.S. may or may not be legal depending on what the courts rule with regard to the DMCA.  Obviously, distributing copied games (free or selling, doesn't matter) is illegal piracy.
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: Igglyboo on January 01, 2009, 08:03:20 PM
Wiigator does not sell the backup launcher, how would that impact it?
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: biolizard89 on January 01, 2009, 08:15:39 PM
Quote from: Igglyboo on January 01, 2009, 08:03:20 PM
Wiigator does not sell the backup launcher, how would that impact it?
The DMCA specifically only applies to commercial use.  I don't know exactly how the courts define it, but American Heritage Dictionary defines commerce as "The buying and selling of goods."  If it's free, it's not buying or selling, so by that definition, it is not commerce and not subject to the DMCA.  Do the courts interpret "commerce" differently?  I have no clue.

Now, things like drivechips, which are sold for the purpose of playing backups, are probably covered by the DMCA.  Which brings us back to the question of, is the DMCA a legitimate (Constitutional) law?  The Supreme Court's commentary in Sony v. Universal implies that it might not be, but no court has tackled that question yet.  So until a court looks at it, consider drivechips to be a legal gray area in the U.S.

Canada and Europe, to my knowledge, do not have a DMCA-style law, so drivechips are almost certainly legal in those regions (but I know less about those jurisdictions).
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: turok on January 01, 2009, 09:06:05 PM
I was in japan when I made my gnt4 into a iso. works on dolphin but I would love to play it on the wii.
Its legal to backup or "archive" ONLY if its for personal use. If i share my iso then its illegal.

I'm in america right now so meh...
The link does not answer for gamecube and I don't use usbgecko.
What do I need to burn a Jpn gamecube iso to a disc then make it work on a wii without modchip?
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: biolizard89 on January 01, 2009, 09:10:55 PM
Quote from: turok on January 01, 2009, 09:06:05 PM
I was in japan when I made my gnt4 into a iso. works on dolphin but I would love to play it on the wii.
Its legal to backup or "archive" ONLY if its for personal use. If i share my iso then its illegal.

I'm in america right now so meh...
The link does not answer for gamecube and I don't use usbgecko.
What do I need to burn a Jpn gamecube iso to a disc then make it work on a wii without modchip?
As far as I know you can't run GameCube backups with Wii homebrew without a drivechip right now.  However, if someone makes a cMIOS, this could be possible.

There is another possibility.  Purchase Datel's SD Media Launcher ($20) and try to run GCOS with it.  There is a chance that it will work on a Wii.  I haven't tried, so I can't guarantee that it works.  But I'd love to hear whether it works, if you try it.
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: Igglyboo on January 01, 2009, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: biolizard89 on January 01, 2009, 09:10:55 PM
Quote from: turok on January 01, 2009, 09:06:05 PM
I was in japan when I made my gnt4 into a iso. works on dolphin but I would love to play it on the wii.
Its legal to backup or "archive" ONLY if its for personal use. If i share my iso then its illegal.

I'm in america right now so meh...
The link does not answer for gamecube and I don't use usbgecko.
What do I need to burn a Jpn gamecube iso to a disc then make it work on a wii without modchip?
As far as I know you can't run GameCube backups with Wii homebrew without a drivechip right now.  However, if someone makes a cMIOS, this could be possible.

There is another possibility.  Purchase Datel's SD Media Launcher ($20) and try to run GCOS with it.  There is a chance that it will work on a Wii.  I haven't tried, so I can't guarantee that it works.  But I'd love to hear whether it works, if you try it.

Wiigator already explored that possibilty, he said that a cMIOS will only get you so far. He needs some sort of app to make the wii read a dvdr
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: turok on January 01, 2009, 09:21:35 PM
Quote from: Igglyboo on January 01, 2009, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: biolizard89 on January 01, 2009, 09:10:55 PM
Quote from: turok on January 01, 2009, 09:06:05 PM
I was in japan when I made my gnt4 into a iso. works on dolphin but I would love to play it on the wii.
Its legal to backup or "archive" ONLY if its for personal use. If i share my iso then its illegal.

I'm in america right now so meh...
The link does not answer for gamecube and I don't use usbgecko.
What do I need to burn a Jpn gamecube iso to a disc then make it work on a wii without modchip?
As far as I know you can't run GameCube backups with Wii homebrew without a drivechip right now.  However, if someone makes a cMIOS, this could be possible.

There is another possibility.  Purchase Datel's SD Media Launcher ($20) and try to run GCOS with it.  There is a chance that it will work on a Wii.  I haven't tried, so I can't guarantee that it works.  But I'd love to hear whether it works, if you try it.

Wiigator already explored that possibilty, he said that a cMIOS will only get you so far. He needs some sort of app to make the wii read a dvdr
wouldn't dvdx fix that? dont know what gcos is and I cant get that sd launcher as my new debit card has yet to be mailed to me and even then Im in a precarious situation with my finance. so meh.........................
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: biolizard89 on January 01, 2009, 09:35:54 PM
Quote from: turok on January 01, 2009, 09:21:35 PM
Quote from: Igglyboo on January 01, 2009, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: biolizard89 on January 01, 2009, 09:10:55 PM
Quote from: turok on January 01, 2009, 09:06:05 PM
I was in japan when I made my gnt4 into a iso. works on dolphin but I would love to play it on the wii.
Its legal to backup or "archive" ONLY if its for personal use. If i share my iso then its illegal.

I'm in america right now so meh...
The link does not answer for gamecube and I don't use usbgecko.
What do I need to burn a Jpn gamecube iso to a disc then make it work on a wii without modchip?
As far as I know you can't run GameCube backups with Wii homebrew without a drivechip right now.  However, if someone makes a cMIOS, this could be possible.

There is another possibility.  Purchase Datel's SD Media Launcher ($20) and try to run GCOS with it.  There is a chance that it will work on a Wii.  I haven't tried, so I can't guarantee that it works.  But I'd love to hear whether it works, if you try it.

Wiigator already explored that possibilty, he said that a cMIOS will only get you so far. He needs some sort of app to make the wii read a dvdr
wouldn't dvdx fix that? dont know what gcos is and I cant get that sd launcher as my new debit card has yet to be mailed to me and even then Im in a precarious situation with my finance. so meh.........................
DVDX would, I believe, not fix that, because it's PPC code running in Wii mode.  However, it would probably be possible to do it with a patcher running in GameCube mode.  GCOS is a backup launcher for GameCube, which may work on the Wii in GameCube mode, assuming you can get into GameCube mode.
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: Igglyboo on January 01, 2009, 10:26:32 PM
Quote from: biolizard89 on January 01, 2009, 09:35:54 PM
Quote from: turok on January 01, 2009, 09:21:35 PM
Quote from: Igglyboo on January 01, 2009, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: biolizard89 on January 01, 2009, 09:10:55 PM
Quote from: turok on January 01, 2009, 09:06:05 PM
I was in japan when I made my gnt4 into a iso. works on dolphin but I would love to play it on the wii.
Its legal to backup or "archive" ONLY if its for personal use. If i share my iso then its illegal.

I'm in america right now so meh...
The link does not answer for gamecube and I don't use usbgecko.
What do I need to burn a Jpn gamecube iso to a disc then make it work on a wii without modchip?
As far as I know you can't run GameCube backups with Wii homebrew without a drivechip right now.  However, if someone makes a cMIOS, this could be possible.

There is another possibility.  Purchase Datel's SD Media Launcher ($20) and try to run GCOS with it.  There is a chance that it will work on a Wii.  I haven't tried, so I can't guarantee that it works.  But I'd love to hear whether it works, if you try it.

Wiigator already explored that possibilty, he said that a cMIOS will only get you so far. He needs some sort of app to make the wii read a dvdr
wouldn't dvdx fix that? dont know what gcos is and I cant get that sd launcher as my new debit card has yet to be mailed to me and even then Im in a precarious situation with my finance. so meh.........................
DVDX would, I believe, not fix that, because it's PPC code running in Wii mode.  However, it would probably be possible to do it with a patcher running in GameCube mode.  GCOS is a backup launcher for GameCube, which may work on the Wii in GameCube mode, assuming you can get into GameCube mode.

Thats what needs to be done, getting homebrew to run in GC mode or hooking it.
A cMIOS help the launcher but won't do everything.
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: biolizard89 on January 01, 2009, 10:35:33 PM
Okay, so looking around TehSkeen, GCOS probably will not work on a Wii without a cMIOS, but SDBoot should work fine.  Basically, you use GameCube Homebrew Launcher to run SDBoot, which lets you run a GameCube ISO from an SD Gecko.  (An SD Gecko costs around $5-10.)
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: Igglyboo on January 01, 2009, 11:39:08 PM
Also, for anyone wondering, the GC Homebrew Launcher will NOT work.
The stub sits in a place that is used by most apps.
Title: Re: iso question concerning the gamecube
Post by: hetoan2 on January 02, 2009, 03:53:47 AM
theres an mios patcher that allows you to boot gc homebrew and theres a gc homebrew app that allows reading of .gcm (gcn isos) files and playing games via SD gecko.