Okay.. Nintendo published a new update for the Wii shop channel.. however.. IOS files are also replaced... and that changes the system functionality:
Summing up gbatemp posts it seems:
-HBC still works after installation, Gecko OS also does
-Twilight Hack 0.1b still seems to work
-HOWEVER, HBC installation fails
-All IOS files are signature fixed - this most likely means that even Gecko OS can't run trucha-signed discs anymore
-Backups and Imports with modchips are unaffected - they still work
-Wii Shop channel is not accessible if you continue using 3.3 or older
-downgrade using WAD manager or related tools to 3.2 or 3.3 does not seem to work
All information is just a mash-up of GBATemp posts.. no warranty!
UPDATE: If you just want to have the new Shop: http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii_Shop_and_IOS51_installer
Thanks for everyone on these links!
UPDATE 2: The homebrew channel can be installed if you use the new version (beta9). The installation won't fail!
Wow, lame.. Can't they get in trouble for not letting us use the Wii Shop Channel without upgrading? Seems kinda bullshit to me, especially if you have points to spend..
whoa, this is the lamest update ever :mad:
Wiibrew description of what the update does...
http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii_System_Updates (http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii_System_Updates)
QuoteUpdated all IOSes, and IOS51
This blocks new installations of anything fakesigned, that is, Homebrew Channel, wads (legal and illegal), Starfall, cIOS, anything that installs IOSes secretly like AnyRegion Changer or AnyTitle Deleter, xyzzy and DVDX (used for apps which have DVD support). The homebrew developers are already planning how they could work against this. If something is already installed then it isn't affected, like Homebrew Channel, etc. You currently need this update to access the Wii Shop Channel. It updates all IOSes with the fakesigning bug, and adds IOS51.
As always, they are punishing legal users, in fact modchipped consoles are unaffected...
I'm sticking with the 3.2E, I have already buyed the VC titles that I wanted...
Bushing said he already knows how to fix it, just a matter of time.
Don't worry, just don't update.
i already updated. It doesn't make a difference if you use a wad installer to install the HBC. so you can just put wad installer in root, load with twilight hack, install HBC and boom
Edit: wad installer blocked by update >_<
so is downgrader....
Quote from: Igglyboo on October 23, 2008, 07:57:09 PM
Bushing said he already knows how to fix it, just a matter of time.
Don't worry, just don't update.
:eek:
Bushing is a God descended upon us from heavens!!! :cool:
Just don't update ;)
I hope this is fixed soon, I can't use anything I have on my homebrew channel. :/
What are you having problems using? Unless the homebrew application(s) that you are using makes an attempt to modify your System Menu, or install anything to it, they should still work.
This update stopped me from getting on my Wii entirely. It just stopped at the health thing and I can't get by it. I tired turining it off, puting a game in, and unplugging it.
Please help. :(
Your wii is probly bricked... Im sorry :'(
Quote from: Metakirby001 on October 23, 2008, 11:11:37 PM
This update stopped me from getting on my Wii entirely. It just stopped at the health thing and I can't get by it. I tired turining it off, puting a game in, and unplugging it.
Please help. :(
Just curious, but did you have any hacks like Starfall installed onto your Wii?
Quote from: Clay on October 23, 2008, 10:29:00 PM
I hope this is fixed soon, I can't use anything I have on my homebrew channel. :/
... yup nothing works :| good thing i put gecko OS as a channel or i'd lose my mind
Quote from: Metakirby001 on October 23, 2008, 11:11:37 PM
This update stopped me from getting on my Wii entirely. It just stopped at the health thing and I can't get by it. I tired turining it off, puting a game in, and unplugging it.
Please help. :(
you may need a savemii or bootmii(when it comes out)
Quote from: Link on October 23, 2008, 03:22:42 PM-HBC still works after installation, Gecko OS also does
This is the only thing I wanted know... by the way, I tried 6-7 times to update the console, but always gived me an error on update...
I thought was a destiny sign.
By the way, tomorrow(this afternoon), will be Disaster Time! The game could install the new update...
Quote from: Metakirby001 on October 23, 2008, 11:11:37 PMThis update stopped me from getting on my Wii entirely. It just stopped at the health thing and I can't get by it. I tired turining it off, puting a game in, and unplugging it.
Please help. :(
If you tried everything, try to call Nintendo.
I don't know where you live, but probably is your right to do what you want with your hardware.
In Italy you can also mod your console to read copied games... Is completly legal, Sony lost a cause about this for PS2 modded with the only purpose to read pirated games...
Any homebrew depending on the fakesign bug stops functioning in the areas depending on this bug.
Sadly, Gecko OS depends on the bug for the rebooter function. In other words, if you wish to have the rebooter function, don't update. (Or if you are going to update, install cIOS first. With that installed, you can then dump the first 200 MBs of a recent game, and extract the IOS wads from it, for downgrading purposes. This method has been proven to work, as long as cIOS is installed, since cIOS does support the fakesigning bug required.)
Quote from: Metakirby001 on October 23, 2008, 11:11:37 PM
This update stopped me from getting on my Wii entirely. It just stopped at the health thing and I can't get by it. I tired turining it off, puting a game in, and unplugging it.
Please help. :(
Do you get an Opera error screen or does just nothing happen?
Quote from: II ARROWS on October 24, 2008, 01:54:00 AM
Quote from: Metakirby001 on October 23, 2008, 11:11:37 PMThis update stopped me from getting on my Wii entirely. It just stopped at the health thing and I can't get by it. I tired turining it off, puting a game in, and unplugging it.
Please help. :(
If you tried everything, try to call Nintendo.
I don't know where you live, but probably is your right to do what you want with your hardware.
In Italy you can also mod your console to read copied games... Is completly legal, Sony lost a cause about this for PS2 modded with the only purpose to read pirated games...
thanks to Bush. we now have even stricter pirating laws. (as if they weren't strict enough) and yes modchips fall in to that area. you can mod your console (cosmetic or chipped) but if they can prove you've used ANY backup (legal or not) they could file a law suit.
George W. :)
Quote from: memorris on October 24, 2008, 01:28:41 PM
Thanks Dr.Pepper for clearing that up
I thought hetoan2 meant bushing.
LOLZ
:D
This remebered me Achmed, the dead terrorist.
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go (http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go)
for sub in many languages(Italiano, Francaise and castellano...) (http://it.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=Achmed&search_sort=relevance)
lol, if you have installed GeckoOs as a wad, you can use geckoload to load other homebrew instead of homebrewchanel :D
Quote from: caitsith2 on October 24, 2008, 05:26:35 AM(Or if you are going to update, install cIOS first. With that installed, you can then dump the first 200 MBs of a recent game, and extract the IOS wads from it, for downgrading purposes. This method has been proven to work, as long as cIOS is installed, since cIOS does support the fakesigning bug required.)
Any reason that you would need the fakesigning bug for installing old updates? I would think that the updates themselves should have valid signatures, couldn't you just use the twilight hack to run the WAD manager and install the old IOS files using the wad files from a game disc?
Edit: NVM, missed this:
Quote from: Link on October 23, 2008, 03:22:42 PM-downgrade using WAD manager or related tools to 3.2 or 3.3 does not seem to work
Anyone know if this is due to the method the WAD manager is using to install the WAD files, or if the IOS has actually been patched to prevent reinstallation of old versions?
well, good thing i readed this before i noticed my wii was lightning, wel... whatever happens NPH, dont update your wii, screw these virtual console games, even though i didnt got yet all of them i want, at least, i dont have wii points to spend :P
i think the IOS just moves everything around so that it's not writing to the right place. that's what ive heard.
oh, please, wii hackers, please fix it, godness, im very afraid, my bro updated the ios, and i cant reboot or else,... :( :( :(, im very nervous and sad
A Quick fix!
http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii_Shop_and_IOS51_installer (http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii_Shop_and_IOS51_installer)
...read carefully and do what you want with that!
Quote from: dondi on October 24, 2008, 11:37:53 PM
A Quick fix!
http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii_Shop_and_IOS51_installer (http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii_Shop_and_IOS51_installer)
...read carefully and do what you want with that!
I can confirm that this works (if you haven't already installed the update...), thanks for the link!
Yep, I have heard some good reports about the installers listed on that page. Tona's version even adds the signing bug into IOS51.
hey i got a quick question. sorry if i sound noobish. i only use ocarina and the wad manager. so far my ocarina loads fine after the update. i havent used my wad manager in forever and buy most of my vc still. is it safe to say this update wont affect me using ocarina?
It may break the Rebooter function, but that isn't really confirmed. I'm guessing that GeckoOS/Ocarina should still work without any problems.
If you updated to the latest firmware, and do not have a Custom IOS, then the WAD Manager will no longer be able to install anything.
rebooter does not work. I updated and it doesn't even hook on my injected channel version.
i used ocarina with mario kart earlier it seems to work fine. if the wad manager wont work anymore ill deal i ended up buying mario rpg, secret of mana and mega man 9 anyhow.
thanks for the quick reply.
im sure if i actually took time to learn more about homebrew i could but im just too lazy lol.
it's not bad if you only want ocarina, but people that use custom IOS's and other homebrew stuff that needs installation will be left out since not enough people updated for the coders to care enough, and everyone else just has the updated version.
I can't believe someone on gbatemp said wad and downgrader still worked even though they dont for anybody else -.-
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what i can't believe even more was that i couldn't wait long enough for a simple work around and instantly thought about my massive amount of wii points left >_<
Read this, if i read it correctly... it installs the latest IOS but without the fakesign fix
http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii_Shop_and_IOS51_installer (http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii_Shop_and_IOS51_installer)
Yes, the version (at the bottom) that was made by Tona will install an IOS51 that has the signing bug present.
So any idea of how to change the updated version to an older one? :(
If you do not have waninkoko's custom IOS then right now you're SOL!
So, there's no way, or maybe with Savemii?
Please, I need help, :( :( :( :(
i suppose if you manage to brick your wii you could go back to 3.2 with savemii but i dont know how you could without wad installer or anything to install >_<
so basically unless you have patchmii or cIOS you cannot go back. I'm in the same boat so we can only hope that the coders remember the people that updated and at least rework the downgrader to work with 3.3v2
Quote from: 111 on October 23, 2008, 10:32:34 PM
What are you having problems using? Unless the homebrew application(s) that you are using makes an attempt to modify your System Menu, or install anything to it, they should still work.
If your talking to me, that was a typo in my post.
Everything still works on my homebrew channel, just not my homebrew browser. :
P
Is there a way to fix this?
I just got some a new e-mail in my wii saying for a new update. the e-mail said that it wii automanically get rid of files that are not nessceary, which gives me a bad vibe that they know about the USB GECKO. So I was wondering if anyone has already updated their wii and do they yet still have the homebrew channel? :confused:
try looking in the forum announcements lot of info there :P
Sorry, but I am not familiar with the Homebrew Browser. However, I don't see why this update should cause any problems with it, as all it does is download files to the SD card, and not the Wii console.
Well, I'm not that educated in this area. It said there was an update for Ocarina so I updated it. When I try to load Ocarina it says "not a valid wii application". This was caused by the new update right? Should I just re-install Ocarina? I still have it saved on my computer.
I forget, but is your version of Ocarina an ELF or DOL file? You may have updated to the Beta 9 version of the Homebrew Channel. Current ELF files will not work with this version. You can read more about it here...
http://www.hackmii.com/2008/10/the-homebrew-channel-beta9/ (http://www.hackmii.com/2008/10/the-homebrew-channel-beta9/)
Well I have some great news and some bad news for me anyway and maybe yall. The bad news is I just accidently deleted my homebrew channel from my wii menu and i can't get the homebrew channel back. But the great news is i can still use gecko os and ocarina by just booting the 2 using their boot files directly from my sd card. So it will keep me busy until they can come up with a solution on how to install homebrew again.
:)
There is a solution right now...
http://www.hackmii.com/2008/10/the-homebrew-channel-beta9/ (http://www.hackmii.com/2008/10/the-homebrew-channel-beta9/)
This version of the Homebrew Channel will install on all firmwares.
Why people continue to use Ocarina when GeckoOS as taken is place?
because people use homebrew browser and don't actually check their online sources
Quote from: dottor_male on October 26, 2008, 12:20:40 PM
Why people continue to use Ocarina when GeckoOS as taken is place?
because i for one, dont quite get gecko OS, i'm sorry, but everytime i use that program, my wii does weird thing's, so i rather use ocarina untill i get to understand gecko OS some more
A friend of mine told me that if you can use Anyregion Changer to downgrade to 3.2U. I plan on doing this, I believe I'm still at 3.3 (didn't update the newest.
So basically if you DO use the Wii Shop channel (I'm sure many do not) you probably can just switch between IOS51 and Wii Shop Installer and update 3.2U...
Ok since I've updated my Homebrew Channel, some apps do not work. I've used the link on the first post of this thread and got gecko working. The obvious problem for the certain apps not working, is because they are boot.elf. I've downloaded Devkit pro but I'm not exactly sure WHAT command to enter. I entered :
powerpc-gekko-objcopy -O binary boot.elf boot.dol
But nothing happened. I think it's because I didn't specify which file I wanted devkit pro to convert. How do I specify the file? I just want exactly what I need to type into devkit pro to make my homebrew browser running again.
UGH, the message I keep getting no matter what I try is:
sh: powerpc-gekko-objcopy: command not found
Or, if someone can just convert me the file and attach it to their post, that'd be nice.
Quote from: Igglyboo on October 23, 2008, 07:57:09 PM
Bushing said he already knows how to fix it, just a matter of time.
Don't worry, just don't update.
wait so if u updated ur screwed? crap i updated what do i do now? :eek:
Quote from: steven69 on October 25, 2008, 07:27:54 PM
I just got some a new e-mail in my wii saying for a new update. the e-mail said that it wii automanically get rid of files that are not nessceary, which gives me a bad vibe that they know about the USB GECKO. So I was wondering if anyone has already updated their wii and do they yet still have the homebrew channel? :confused:
I updated, and I still have the HBC.
I think it just keeps people from getting the HBC on their Wiis if they don't already have it.
Quote from: NPH on October 26, 2008, 02:15:31 PM
Quote from: dottor_male on October 26, 2008, 12:20:40 PM
Why people continue to use Ocarina when GeckoOS as taken is place?
because i for one, dont quite get gecko OS, i'm sorry, but everytime i use that program, my wii does weird thing's, so i rather use ocarina untill i get to understand gecko OS some more
Understood! ;)
The Wii system has many bugs! HBC can be installed with the shop update!
Get Homebrew channel beta9.. and install it using the TP hack.. beta8 can't be installed, beta9 uses a new bug!
crap i got the update b4 i knew about this one that lets homebrew still work. what do i do? :eek:
Quote from: MM7 on October 27, 2008, 08:53:17 PM
crap i got the update b4 i knew about this one that lets homebrew still work. what do i do? :eek:
I can't see the problem...
there is a new fix for this update :D
unfortunately it uses an official .wad and some unofficial modified applications, but it works :D
if you updated i would recommend reading about it at GBAtemp:
http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=112385&pid=1501123&st=0 (http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=112385&pid=1501123&st=0)&
I recommend reading the whole thread
Is it possible to get rid of this IOS51 and then re-update your wii with Muzer's fixed update?
yes you need a legit copy of IOS 30 and IOS 36 from a game disk which you can rip out with wii scrubber, and then you can delete your IOS51, but unfortunately It's illegal so you can search google.
btw Wii Music has both the files, along with guitar hero world tour.
SMG might also.
Quote from: memorris on October 29, 2008, 10:43:56 AM
Instead of wii scrubber
Nuke done a tool which is fast and simple way to get these files and requires no ripping or copyright keys.
WUFE (Wii Update File Extractor)
http://www.usbgecko.com/wufe/wufe.zip (http://www.usbgecko.com/wufe/wufe.zip)
true that however WUFE is only of use if you do it on a Wii.. and I miss how you could get the Iso of the backup disc on a Wii except for your Wii is modified or you modify WUFE like WiiGator did. Therefore.. Trucha Signer, WiiBrowse, Wii Scrubber or any other Wii browsing application is the better choice in that case. WUFE is really good if you just want to update contents of a retail disc!
Uh... I'm guessing this would be the place to post this... Anyway does anybody know if, when you use the Wii Shop and IOS51 installer, it will also make it so that any games that have the update on it not tell you to update your system? I can't test this myself and I don't wanna install it if it'll just make me update anyway once Animal Crossing comes out.
I would use an app called Starfall and install the skip disc update, theres an option like that, which skips the updates on the disc so it will load the game in the disc screen like as if the update was never there so you'll be fine if you do that. Also you can get a region free Wii too if you want to use that feature on starfall.
Quote from: dalekjd on November 12, 2008, 06:56:13 AM
I would use an app called Starfall and install the skip disc update, theres an option like that, which skips the updates on the disc so it will load the game in the disc screen like as if the update was never there so you'll be fine if you do that. Also you can get a region free Wii too if you want to use that feature on starfall.
Yeah I could do that... But that doesn't answer my question. I wanna know if using the Wii Shop and IOS51 installer will make a game with the update not tell you to update.
no it will not. you'll have to load through gecko OS or another way to skip updates every time.
Quote from: hetoan2 on November 12, 2008, 09:29:34 PM
no it will not. you'll have to load through gecko OS or another way to skip updates every time.
when I started Disaster the first time it told me to update, so I started it with GeckoOS but it screwed up the whole game (the textures weren't fully loaded or something like that)
hmm... use gecko region free or MenuLoader w/ skip menu updates.
OK another quick question... If I was to use the Wii Shop and IOS51 installer and then install the update via Nintendo, would that hurt anything?
Updating through Nintendo would defeat the purpose of the Wii Shop and IOS51 Installer. The Wii Shop and IOS51 Installer is intended to allow you to access the Wii Shop without updating to the latest firmware, which fixes the signing bug on all the usual IOS versions.
EDIT: If you are talking about a game disc, then it would only be an issue if a game were to contain this update. There is no game that currently contains it, but that is likely to change in the future.
Quote from: 111 on November 15, 2008, 10:03:17 AM
Updating through Nintendo would defeat the purpose of the Wii Shop and IOS51 Installer. The Wii Shop and IOS51 Installer is intended to allow you to access the Wii Shop without updating to the latest firmware, which fixes the signing bug on all the usual IOS versions.
EDIT: If you are talking about a game disc, then it would only be an issue if a game were to contain this update. There is no game that currently contains it, but that is likely to change in the future.
Animal Crossing: City Folk has it. Listen I just wanna know if I use the Wii Shop and IOS51 Installer then can I never update via Nintendo again or would updating just apply the patches as normal?
I'm pretty sure that Animal Crossing has the first 3.3 update, and not the newest. In the future, Nintendo may change the IOS needed to access the Wii Shop, so the Wii Shop and IOS51 Installer would no longer work. However, I'm guessing that it could be updated to once again allow access to the Wii Shop.
whatever Nintendo will do Homebrew will beat them :cool:
animal crossing definitely has the second 3.3 update
does wii music (PAL) has an update? if it has, wich one?
Quote from: 111 on November 16, 2008, 01:25:35 AM
I'm pretty sure that Animal Crossing has the first 3.3 update, and not the newest. In the future, Nintendo may change the IOS needed to access the Wii Shop, so the Wii Shop and IOS51 Installer would no longer work. However, I'm guessing that it could be updated to once again allow access to the Wii Shop.
So you're saying that if I use the installer and then update later (like say once the problem caused by the update is fixed) then I won't have any problems?
If you are worrying about the Wii Shop and IOS51 installer causing a conflict with a future Nintendo update, then no, it shouldn't cause any problems. All that should happen is that it overwrites the files installed by it. Also, there is really no point in updating through Nintendo at this time. I would at least wait until when/if Team Twiizers reveals the new exploit that their Homebrew Channel uses.
Also, according to WiiBrew, Animal Crossing contains the first 3.3 update, and not the second. However, it does contain an IOS38, which might be required for the WiiSpeak feature.